Mixed Nationality Corps 1813-1814

[Damianhunter]

I've had a some good games with various combinations of Russians, Prussians and Austrians. My most recent permutation has been a Prussian base mixed nationality corps. This has an ACV of 37 and plus 5 on the dice roll to attack.
Skilled Charismatic Prussian Corps Commander
Competent Prussian Divisional Commander
Large Average Conscripts (Cavalry Attachment)
Large Average Conscripts
Large Poor Conscripts
Large Medium Artillery
Competent Prussian Divisional Commander
Small Average Drilled Medium Artillery Attachment (Cavalry Attachment)
Small Poor Conscripts
Large Average Conscript Lancers (half Lance)
Large Medium Artillery
Competent Russian Divisional Commander
Small Average Drilled Medium Artillery Attachment
Small Average Conscripts
Small Average Drilled Light Cavalry
Competent Austrian Divisional Commander
Large Average Drilled
Large Average Drilled
Large Superior Drilled Light Cavalry Officer Attachment

This allows a strong centre supported by artillery if I leave one battery of Prussian guns in front of the Austrians and some mobility on the flanks with the smaller Prussian and Russian Division.

However, I like the idea of faster moving force based on Veterans and am hoping for some changes to the minimums for the 1815 Prussian list to encourage me to buy a few more miniatures and try a field a force with a stronger group of Prussian Veterans.

[hazelbark]

Seems light on the mounted, heavy on the conscripts and light on the artillery.

But then i've recently been focusing on quality not quantity. Have to try a mess like this.

[bahdahbum]

Hy,

The list seems interesting but ...1813-1814 mixed nationality , if they ignore minima bases, may only choose CORE units . I know there is a post somewhere about it and it is in the army list book .
Russian : there is no cavalry in the core units .
Prussians : I am not sure you may take a "half-lancers" unit . They should be full lancers or no lancers at all . But I might be wrong .

Minima bases : should the divisions not conform to the rule about minima as per single divisions rule ? If yes then you should have some average conscript in the austrian division ...

Just some silly questions ...but the list , the idea is interesting . I intend to try something like that one day but first should paint some austrians and prussians .

[Damianhunter]

I decided to add Prussians and Austrians to my large collection of Russians. These had lain idle for three years after painting 600 in five weeks for my first go at Napoleonics in a tournament in 2009. That tournament used "First Volley" a rule set developed in Hamilton (New Zealand). I chose the Austrians and Prussians so I could have several different colours in one force.

I'm looking at force design around the shape I want to impose on the game table (battlefield). This force gives me as I said a strong centre and some mobility on the flanks. The poor Prussian Conscripts, and average Russian one, give rear support. This allows the Prussian Average Conscripts three dice for recovery with a Charismatic general attached (need to watch out for Justice Goldsbury dice though as he's killed an unusually above average number of Prussian commanders in our games). They can also absorb a fair bit of firepower but are slow moving. Not formations that get a lot of second moves.

The Landwehr Cavalry may be half lance but I could lose a Cavalry Attachment from the mixed division to allow this as I see the errata doesn't require this. As far as the Russian cavalry goes they aren't "core" but opponents have agreed that this is ok given text preceding Russian 1813-1814 list which says no cavalry as core because they were sometimes used in cavalry divisions and sometimes mixed and the special rules reflect that.

[bahdahbum]

As far as the Russian cavalry goes they aren't "core" but opponents have agreed that this is ok given text preceding Russian 1813-1814 list which says no cavalry as core because they were sometimes used in cavalry divisions and sometimes mixed and the special rules reflect that.

If they are not core you cannot have them in a mixed division . By mixed I mean - austrian-prussian-russian division . That's the rule . Your friends might agree but a refere mght not . But as long as your mates have nothing agaqinst it , play as you will .

[Damianhunter]

Ohhh... and the guns need to go in the Russian division not the Prussian mixed division as the Prussians must have "... more than half the units in a mixed division as infantry."

[terrys]

the mixed nationality corps is an interesting one to field. It's relatively easy to design a list - but not one that contains everything that you would like.

The list that you present is illegal for the following reasons:
1) Prussian artillery - you have 2 large unit of medium artillery when there a a maximum of 4 bases allowed
2) Russian light cavalry are not core troops - You would have to use cossacks instead
3) Austrian light cavalry - you are only permitted to use 4 bases of superiors
Using mixed lancer/non-lancers of Prussian landwehr is allowed. as per page 161 "composition of individual units"

Given that you can't use regular cavalry with the Russians, you could instead field the Russians with a large artillery battery and field reglar light cavalry with one of the Prussian commands.

[Damianhunter]

Thanks Terry. I am sure that a bit more care with the list design will produce something that delivers the battle shape I want without infringing the list restrictions. Tracking three for four sets of restrictions, core vs. optional, and maxima requires a bit of attention to detail when at the same time trying to noodle the points.

[BrettPT]

Thanks Terry. I am sure that a bit more care with the list design will produce something that delivers the battle shape I want without infringing the list restrictions.

Looks like I will have my work cut out checking your list for Battlecry, Andy!

cheers
Brett