Shooting from squares and swedish brigade point pike.

[moncholee]

Hello, I have the following doubts regarding shooting and swedish brigades.

1- Can a pike and shot unit forming square shoot? I haven´t found any reference about it, altough I would think that a dice could be fired in each direction, like an early tercio.

2- Accordind to base removal rules (pg 151), a swedish brigade that suffers a casualty from shooting must remove the pike base in point position, but in page 33 it says that the formation is maintained as long as it has at least two pike bases, with no pike in 3rd rank if necessary. So in case of casualty... do you remove the point pike and then reshape the formation putting the 3rd rank pike in point position, so in fact you just remove the 3rd rank pike and go on? Or the point pike is lost? Does the brigade still count as armoured with just two pike bases?

Regards,
Javier.

[rbodleyscott]

Hello, I have the following doubts regarding shooting and swedish brigades.

1- Can a pike and shot unit forming square shoot? I haven´t found any reference about it, altough I would think that a dice could be fired in each direction, like an early tercio.

That is correct. Sometimes it can shoot with 2 bases, if the (fairly close) enemy is within arc of fire of both.

2- Accordind to base removal rules (pg 151), a swedish brigade that suffers a casualty from shooting must remove the pike base in point position, but in page 33 it says that the formation is maintained as long as it has at least two pike bases, with no pike in 3rd rank if necessary. So in case of casualty... do you remove the point pike and then reshape the formation putting the 3rd rank pike in point position, so in fact you just remove the 3rd rank pike and go on?

Yes

Or the point pike is lost?

No

Does the brigade still count as armoured with just two pike bases?

Yes, but not with 1.

[moncholee]

Thank you very much. I understand that the number of dice that a pike and shot square can shoot simultaneously is equal to the number of shoot bases it has. Is that right?

[stecal]

Does the brigade still count as armoured with just two pike bases?

Yes, but not with 1.

Oops, been doing that wrong. My Swedes just got a bit better

[rbodleyscott]

Thank you very much. I understand that the number of dice that a pike and shot square can shoot simultaneously is equal to the number of shoot bases it has. Is that right?

Yes, if they all have targets in arc of fire.

[karakhanid]

Hello,talking about Swedish brigades and squares:
The targets shouldn't be in the arc of fire of two bases simultaneously to be shot, due the Swedes are salvo shooters ?
And what happens with the regimental cannon? Could it shot in any direction?
Forming an square, does still count as a Swedish brigade (shooters count as armored when they are shot at) or not?

Mikel

[rbodleyscott]

Hello,talking about Swedish brigades and squares:
The targets shouldn't be in the arc of fire of two bases simultaneously to be shot, due the Swedes are salvo shooters ?

In fact they need to have 2 bases in arc of fire to get even one shooting dice from salvo.

And what happens with the regimental cannon? Could it shot in any direction?

Unless I have missed a specific rule to the contrary: A square forms with the centre of it front rank in the same position as before. Therefore, the RG counts (for arc of fire) as shooting from that position.

Forming an square, does still count as a Swedish brigade (shooters count as armored when they are shot at) or not?

Not. "Swedish brigade" is a formation, not a BG type. Square is a different formation. Hence,when a Swedish brigade is in square, it is not in "Swedish brigade formation", so doesn't get the benefits.

[moncholee]

moncholee wrote:Thank you very much. I understand that the number of dice that a pike and shot square can shoot simultaneously is equal to the number of shoot bases it has. Is that right?


Yes, if they all have targets in arc of fire.

Thank you for the answers. I have a final question (I hope!) about this.

1- One enemy bg approaches one of the sides of the square. Can the square shoot all its dice to the enemy bg? Is there a limit to the number of dice a square can shoot per side?

2- Four enemy bgs approaches the square from four different sides (bad thing). Can the square shoot two dice at one bg, one dice at other, one dice at a third and none at the fourth, or it has to assign dice as evenly as possible?

[moncholee]

Digging in the answers given, could I understand by this...

That is correct. Sometimes it can shoot with 2 bases, if the (fairly close) enemy is within arc of fire of both.

...that only one dice can be fired per side? Would it be so for a Late Tercio with six shot forming square?

[rbodleyscott]

1- One enemy bg approaches one of the sides of the square. Can the square shoot all its dice to the enemy bg? Is there a limit to the number of dice a square can shoot per side?

A BG can fight with a quarter of its bases (rounded up) on each side of the square. A normal pike and shot BG (2 pike, 4 shot) could therefore shoot with 1 shot base on each side.

2- Four enemy bgs approaches the square from four different sides (bad thing). Can the square shoot two dice at one bg, one dice at other, one dice at a third and none at the fourth, or it has to assign dice as evenly as possible?

Normal target priorities apply. You never get a choice of target (unless two targets are of exactly equal priority).

Digging in the answers given, could I understand by this...

That is correct. Sometimes it can shoot with 2 bases, if the (fairly close) enemy is within arc of fire of both.

...that only one dice can be fired per side? Would it be so for a Late Tercio with six shot forming square?

As a quarter can fight on each side, rounded up, so the tercio (with 6 shot) can shoot with 2 bases on each side, one counting as front rank.

[moncholee]

Everything clear now. Thank you!