Returning to FoG

[donm]

As there is not enough 25mm players this weekend, I have decided to play AoW Nooooooo I mean FoG. Shows how long it has been

I am trying to get my head around the rules again, but have notice some important changes,which I am hoping one of the team will answer for me.

I am sorry if the answers seem obvious

I can find no list of what troops count as mounted. The only reference I can find is within the points table.

Do elephants count as mounted?

Elephants are not listed as 'Shock Troops', but their role is discribed in a very similar way to 'Impact Foot'.

Impact foot - Foot relying on a fierce charge to disrupt the enemy at impact.

Elephants - Whoose strength is breaking into solid lines of enemy troops.

So do elephants count as non-shock mounted for POAs in the impact phase?

One of the points I raised when I last played the rules, was how generals were allowed to help elephants manouvre. I notice that generals are still allowed to exert influence over such unpredictable creatures. Do we feel this is right?

Thanks in advance

Don M

[rbodleyscott]

I can find no list of what troops count as mounted. The only reference I can find is within the points table.

See page 4

Do elephants count as mounted?

yes

Elephants are not listed as 'Shock Troops', but their role is discribed in a very similar way to 'Impact Foot'.

They do not count as shock troops - "shock troops" depends on the psyche of the troops rather than on their function. Of course they will be used as shock troops, but they won't charge against orders.

So do elephants count as non-shock mounted for POAs in the impact phase?

Yes

One of the points I raised when I last played the rules, was how generals were allowed to help elephants manouvre. I notice that generals are still allowed to exert influence over such unpredictable creatures. Do we feel this is right?

To keep things simple and avoid an exception yes. What makes you think trained elephants are unpredictable? (Until they get hit by one too many missiles - then they are unpredictable!).

Hmm, Don is very interested in elephants today - I wonder what army he is fielding.

[donm]

Something 'Magic' I hope

Don M

[donm]

From what I have seen of the runners and riders list, not too many other people who have the option to field any elephants.

Not a super troop then

Don M

[CYRANOINLONDON]

Having played against Rick 'Mahout master' Davey with 25mms and used an Indian army v Terry at 15mm my first impression is that if people aren't using El they are missing out. There's a good few squeaky bum moments on death rolls but they seem pretty effective against both foot and mounted. I've only beaten them once in three attempts and won the one time I used them.
regards
Chris

[hammy]

Very true, not many elephants are likely to be seen at the weekend.

I did consider Ghaznavid but in the end the Bosphoran suits my style of play (I think).

I can safely say that there are no Elephants in the DBMM competition though.

[donm]

I can safely say that there are no Elephants in the DBMM competition though.

Now you do surprise me, my understanding was they are very much improved

Don M

[hammy]

I can safely say that there are no Elephants in the DBMM competition though.

Now you do surprise me, my understanding was they are very much improved

Don M

The DBMM competition apprars to be the (S) troop love in. That and the Bw(S) love in.

100 Years War English
War of the Roses
Free Companies
Ilkhanid
New Kingdom Egyptian (with 24 Cv(S))
Late Imperial Roman with Alan allies.....

[donm]

Interesting that the most play tested and emailed set of rules has only attracted six players.

No rush to worry about so far

Don M

[hammy]

Interesting that the most play tested and emailed set of rules has only attracted six players.

No rush to worry about so far

Don M

And the only reason there are six is that I have offered to float between DBMM and FoG. It looks like I will alas be playing DBMM but at least then Geoff will believe me when I say I don't like it and that the rules are full of holes you can drive a truck through.

The latest appears to be Heisenberg uncertainty movement.

An element moves x paces unless it reaches difficult going when it only moves y paces but then it doesn't reach the terrain so it moves x paces and reaches the terrain so moves y paces etc.....

[madaxeman]

Interesting that the most play tested and emailed set of rules has only attracted six players.

No rush to worry about so far

Don M

My suspicion is that MM will not turn out to be a competition set.

[donm]

I was going to play in Keith McGlynn's 25mm DBMM later in the year to give them a go. But as I read more of the rules and have the odd look at the Yahoo group site, I think Christmas shopping with the wife begins to look more attractive

Don M

[neilhammond]

My suspicion is that MM will not turn out to be a competition set.

That's because competition players aren't gentlemen. Clearly.

Neil

[hammy]

My suspicion is that MM will not turn out to be a competition set.

That's because competition players aren't gentlemen. Clearly.

Neil

Actually it is because Phil is insitent that the rules mean exactly what they say except where that means they don't make sense or aren't in agreement with how Phil thinks they should work today

As it looks like I will be umpiring for DBMM at Roll Call I am trying to sort out some of the more recent Philisms and it is how you might say a bit difficult. It seems that you can have elements that are in edge to edge and corner to corner contact that are a physical group but don't count as a group if you want to hold them but you can also have the same that do count as a group to hold!!! If you have a line of say 4 Kn and 8 Bw that are in edge and corner contact and from the same command it costs an extra PIP to hold the Kn because they are in a mixed group If the Bw are from a different command then it doesn't. If the Bw have moved to that possition then it doesn't...... I am sure it makes sense to someone.

Ho hum

Hammy

[nikgaukroger]

I'm sure this isn't the forum to discuss DBMM and definitely not one suitable to slagging it off.

[shall]

Mr Moderator I do believe you have just been Mr Moderated....

[hammy]

Mea culpa

I have however just about had it up to here with the recent complications on the other rules.... I will now shut up on the subject on this forum.

[shall]

Speaking personally I am not overly bothered if people comment here - it is after all a private forum. And comment on competition is a useful input to any development process.............I was more amused by the roll reversal that you and Nik managed.....

Let's just keep the focus on getting FOG out there as good as it can be and have fun.

I for one am looking forward o getting back to playing my hobby from a year in the closet working on the rules. I can't wait for Britcon

...which by the way now stands at 17 official entries and about 5 unofficial.....

Si

[neilhammond]

I can't wait for Britcon
...which by the way now stands at 17 official entries and about 5 unofficial.....

Si

Damn! I was hoping for only three entries which would have given me a good chance for a place.

[donm]

I am unaware of any rules as to what we decide to discuss on this group.

As it is a closed group, what personnal opinions we express should not cause problems elsewhere.

Don M