Pursuing into Evaders

[Caliph]

In a game at the club this week the following occurred - all in the impact phase.

A LH BG was charged and evaded. Another light horse BG, already in combat, was charged and after resolving the impact it broke. It routed through the first (evaded) LH BG and the pursuers both rolled 6's so while pursuing both would contact the first (evaded) LH BG in the flank.

We were not sure whether the first (evaded) LH BG had to stand and fight - because it had already evaded, or whether it evaded again - though this seemed unlikely. We couldn't find anything in the rules and as it was a friendly game we threw a dice for a decision and carried on.

Can anyone let us know what should have happened?

[philqw78]

IMO it gets to evade again as the pursuer is 'charging' again.

Getting someone to define this from the rules would be great though

[zoltan]

Similar questions to this have reqularly been raised. My recollection is that the consensus, and gaming practice in my neck of the woods, is that skirmishers get the option to evade each and every time they are in an 'evade situation'. i.e. if fighting in melee they do not get the option to evade but if standing around minding their own business (such as your example) they do.

[philqw78]

Not the same where we play.

All intercepts. Then All evades are done. Then all charges. Then all impacts. Then all pursuits. Any that count as being charged by pursuers may evade (again). The pursuer completes its pursuit move. Then all impacts are done. Then all pursuits. Any that count as being charged by pursuers may evade (again). The pursuer completes its pursuit move. To infinity or until the impact phase is over.

[Caliph]

Thanks for the replies. That was the way we played it - the LH BG legged it again, but in a different direction (away from the pursuers).

If this has come up before perhaps a definitive answer, maybe with an example, should be in the FAQ's.

[bbotus]

Here is the only thing I could find in the forum on this topic.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=10205
As Phil says

Any that count as being charged by pursuers may evade (again)

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Just to be clear, though, you only get one evade from charges. So if you evade BG (A) away from BG (1) and then you evade another unit that is being charged by another BG (2), it is possible that BG (2) will charge into your first evading BG (A) and it will not get a 2nd evade move.

Page 108, 2nd column, does allow evades from any enemy in pursuit even in the Impact Phase.

[hazelbark]

I have always played it that you follow the sequence of play.

So if BG "Phil" is charged and evades
Then the charging hits SOMEONE ELSE who breaks in the impact phase and the pursuit would hit "phil" again.
Then you are in a new part of the sequence of play. So "phil" will evade again.

Then another unit breaks in melee and that pursuing unit would hit "phil". "Phil" can evade again.

Then in the JAP phase the pursing unit would hit "phil" again. Then "phil" can evade again.

So basically "phil" will run away many times and never fight...in this example.

What is NOT allowed.
Two different chargers are impacting. "phil" evades from "A" and then "B" executes its move and contacts "phil" as part of its initial charge move. Now "phil" cannot evade and must finally fight and die like he deserves.

[philqw78]

when is your next UK competition Dan?

[hazelbark]

when is your next UK competition Dan?

Why ever would you ask?


5% Britcon
Maybe 20% for next year. Challenge is often convenient.

Are you up to be Chairman of the BHGS?

[philqw78]

Are you up to be Chairman of the BHGS?

Chairman gives the impression of rule by committee. So no.

[peteratjet]

I have always played it that you follow the sequence of play.

So if BG "Phil" is charged and evades
Then the charging hits SOMEONE ELSE who breaks in the impact phase and the pursuit would hit "phil" again.
Then you are in a new part of the sequence of play. So "phil" will evade again.

... but can a BG evade twice in the same impact phase? I thought that was not allowed

[philqw78]

... but can a BG evade twice in the same impact phase? I thought that was not allowed

If contacted by pursuers, as they are in effect charging twice.

[bbotus]

... but can a BG evade twice in the same impact phase? I thought that was not allowed

If contacted by pursuers, as they are in effect charging twice.

If you read Simon's comments in this thread you'll see how the authors' approach this.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=10205
You can actually evade multiple times in the same phase to avoid different 'pursuers' as hazelbark mentioned earlier. But you can only evade once from 'declared' charges.

[hazelbark]

Be careful of wording like "mutliple times in the same phase" or "only once in a phase."

You can only evade once in reaction to being the target of charge in the sequence of play. You really want to look at each line in the sequence of play for this rather than the phase.

So impact pahse

All charges are announced.
All evaders, evade. (here is a chance to evade)
Any charger who "catches" an evader does indeed catch them and they do not evade.
Impacts resolved.

In the even that an impact breaks someone, there may be a pursuit which may contact a unit eligible for evading. That is a new charge on the unit and therfore can trigger and new evade.

I'd have to think through but I think twice is the only likely chance to evade. I suppose if you have someone charging down the flank of an army you have the potential for many mulitiple impacts and breaks and therefore pursuits and therefore evades. But that is the realm of Hammy-Fantasy but it occured once.