General death

[deadtorius]

In our last game of Catholic Germans vs Protestant German/ Swedes, one of my generals tercios was destroyed. Blathergut in a move of utter brilliance had moved his light foot in column behind my tercio that was engaged by 2 Swedish units, I did not want to break off and face another ++ charge when I had the chance and he took advantage of my lack of mobility and his lights couldn't do anything else anyway.

I had a unit of mounted Aruebusiers that were close enough to the tercio to have to take a cohesion test for seeing it break. However the generals figure was at the opposite end of the tercio fighting in the front rank, so more than his move away from the mounted unit.

When the tercio was eliminated for routing into enemy should he have just moved to the mounted or should he have been eliminated since he could not physically move to the mounted unit?

We eliminated him but I was just wondering if he should have been allowed to live instead. The "True Faith" won the game anyway so his death was not in vain

[hazelbark]

Well I think you may have conflated phases, but don't have my book.

i gather the general was not lost due to die rolls. The general was lost because he needed to move and there were no friendlies near by?

The question is did the BG being unable to flee and thus disappear trigger the general needing to move to a friendly BG at that moment. Without the rules I think it is possible the unit evaporates. The General is there. If this was in melee he could move in JAP close enough that when the effect on a general occurs in the Movement or shooting phase he would get to the BG.

But if the break occured in the impact phase then the general might be too far when triggered.

So I think the point to check in the rules is when is the general lost. My recollection is it is contact and/or shooting. Depending on how the contact is written they may or not be lost.

Which doesn't really answer your point, which is you are assuming the general is lost (so maybe you checked the above or ruled it however). If the general was lost do to being unable to leap to a friendly unit then it is presume beyond the range of a BG to trigger a test. But the CT test implies you measure from the BG. I suspect an umpire could call it eitherr way. Probably should count as from the BG and thus force the test.

However I think it is possible the commander is not lost at this moment while he is with the BG and therefore it doesn't apply.

[deadtorius]

he was lost at the end of melee, the unit broke and was making its initial rout and ran into the lights behind it so evaporated leaving him alone. Most likely they pursuers would have caught him before JAP, during their initial pursuit (we dindnt roll for it since they were not likely to really go anywhere the lights were so close to my rear) so we likely did it right.

[hazelbark]

he was lost at the end of melee, the unit broke and was making its initial rout and ran into the lights behind it so evaporated leaving him alone. Most likely they pursuers would have caught him before JAP, during their initial pursuit (we dindnt roll for it since they were not likely to really go anywhere the lights were so close to my rear) so we likely did it right.

I am talking this through not accusing. So pardon if tone seems off.

p 130 right column 1st full bullet at end.
"the BG is destroyed at end of the phase"

So add in p 90 left side the dash bullet. Stop 1 MU away.

So the initial rout the unit there the pursers touch I presume. The BG disappears at end of phase. So at this point I presume the general is not in contact. As the rear LF were not in contact there is a smidgin of distance up to 1 MU I presume 2 base depths and smidgen means general base was not in contact with enemy at end of phase. But if the broken unit was say one base deep or say single ranked gendarmess. Then there may have been less than 40 MU that a commanders base would occupy. So it could be engineered even in your example maybe it wasn't.

[hazelbark]

So 1 if the group was at least 40 MU deep, then plus a smidgin then no enemy was in contact at end of phase.

So if not in contact the move commanders is the next "movement" in the JAP phase so the commander can dodge toward the BG. Then if contacted by pursuit woudl leap again

p 69 last bullet right column invokes the "contacf" as the trigger.

So going back to your original question does he count radius from where he is or from the BG he was with. I would say. Where he is. because in this case the BG does not exist at the time of the commander being lost. We have a loop. If the BG exists the commander is not lost except by the dice throw.