Iron Cross Red Star

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:44 am

There isn't one German unit that is a match for the Soviets on this map.

Tanks, AT's and fighters are all out matched.

deducter · Post by **deducter** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:49 am

I'm not so sure, the Germans seem okay to me. Maybe we should have a match, with me as the Germans, to evaluate this.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:18 am

109g against LA5 is 2-3 in favor of the 109.
Stuka D is more powerful but less durable than the IL2
IVG and T34/43 cancel each other out pretty nicely at 3-3
StuG IIIF/8 and KV1c is 2-3 in favor of the KV1c, but the KV1c is also 200 prestige more expensive and slower.

Seems alright in theory, but if anyone has some documented game experience, that's always good to review too.

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:52 am

Those are not the odds I'm getting in the game.

Check out this example.
Attack with 15cm art and 10.5 Art.
Then Stug, The Pz IVG

Could only kill 5 out of 10 point on a T-34

deducter · Post by **deducter** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:16 am

It's a low kill type of game, unlike the late war battles where killing 5+ strength points is not unusual. I'll give you that the game seems very different.

I was playing a match where I attacked a 4 strength PzIV on a hill with artillery, cavalry, a T-34, and I couldn't kill it. So the opposite can also happen.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:22 am

I started a paired game of Dneiper. I'm worried it's still unbalanced. Now that your familiar with it, let's give it a go deducter.

deducter · Post by **deducter** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:39 am

I accepted, but I am involved in quite a few MP games atm, and may not play very quickly, and probably won't even play until tomorrow.

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:49 am

No problem.
If you have any feedback or comments on the balance of any of those games, all feedback is welcome at this point.