AI moving my tanks

[Wings]

I've never played this genre before so forgive me for asking what might be a stupid question; why was the AI at one point moving several of my tanks in one location on the map like 4-5 tiles back in front of my eyes? Shouldn't I be the only one being able to control my tanks?

[Kerensky]

A unit that is suppressed can be forced to retreat, or 'move'. Is this what you are describing?
If not, do you have any images or can you explain what happened in greater detail?

[TheGrayMouser]

I've never played this genre before so forgive me for asking what might be a stupid question; why was the AI at one point moving several of my tanks in one location on the map like 4-5 tiles back? Shouldn't I be the only one being able to control my tanks?

There is no feature for partial control over your forces.. I am pretty sure without even asking what scenario you were playing that those tanks were atually enemy tanks! Ok now I will ask as there are several sceanrios where minor nations are involved. If so some of their tanks can look broadly similar to your enemies.....

[AgentX]

Were you playing the tutorial? If so, in the tutorial, both the teams are German except you are Red Team and the other is Blue Team. Maybe, during the AI's turn, it moved a Blue Team tank and you may have thought it was yours? I've never seen an example of the AI moving any of my units and I've played many, many hours of Panzer Corps.

[Wings]

A unit that is suppressed can be forced to retreat, or 'move'.

How exactly does that work?

[Wings]

I am pretty sure without even asking what scenario you were playing that those tanks were atually enemy tanks!

I played Barbarossa (not a screenshot of the actual game):



I had my army gathered around that city in the marked area and then suddenly they were moved like 4-5 tiles to the left and yes, I just imagined that, regardless the fact that I was forced to moved them all back to their previous location in my next turn and yes, I was seeing gray tanks, but they were actually green, right? I also imagined that I saw my Karl-Gerat 040 moving and even after I noticed the issue after the first tank was moved, I was also blind when the other 4 were moved back in front of my eyes, right?

Seriously, just because this genre is new to me, doesn't mean that I've lost my eyesight! I'm 100% sure of what I saw, these were GRAY tanks beside that bunker which moved 4-5 tiles to the left on the left side of the screen. Heck, like I said...I even moved them back again when it was my turn, I guess I'm imagining that too!

One other thing I noticed during that turn: the AI took a long time to finish (the AI bar had like a 1mm stripe of red for like 20 seconds for example) and was moving a lot of stuff.

[TheGrayMouser]

he he , I wasnt meaning to be casting doudts on your eysight! Yes those tanks are clearly GREY, however play some other scenarios featuring Soviet Allies and , oh say Italian axis forces... I find its hard to tell at a glance which are which.

And no you didnt give all those details in your OP, just right now (and you added quite a dose of sarcasm )

So, often reported bugs are just misundertsandings or whatnot. Maybe you have found the ghost in the machine?

At the risk of maybe upsetting you , which is not my intent, your further description almost sounds like you made your moves, closed the game but didnt save or saved as a diffent file name..........

[Razz1]

Did you play with the settings using the editor?

[Wings]

he he

Laughing when someone is clearly agitated? Thumbs up for such a great start of a second response.

I wasnt meaning to be casting doudts on your eysight!

My feet instead?

Yes those tanks are clearly GREY, however play some other scenarios featuring Soviet Allies and , oh say Italian axis forces... I find its hard to tell at a glance which are which.

Mmm...I'm pretty sure that someone wrote "I am pretty sure WITHOUT EVEN ASKING WHAT SCENARIO you were playing that those tanks were atually enemy tanks!"....

And no you didnt give all those details in your OP, just right now

Maybe because...cough, cough....Kerensky asked for more details and images and AgentX was asking "Were you playing the tutorial?". "Ask first, assume later" is their excellent approach.

and you added quite a dose of sarcasm

Yeah, I wonder too why I did that...

So, often reported bugs are just misundertsandings or whatnot.

Ask first, assume later....

At the risk of maybe upsetting you , which is not my intent

I don't think you're doing this intentionally, I just think you don't get it.

your further description almost sounds like you made your moves, closed the game but didnt save or saved as a diffent file name

No, that's not what I did. I played a continuous game and I'm very sure about what I saw, based on several things:

- the enemy in Babarossa has green tanks, the ones that moved back were gray
- I didn't see just one move, it was about 5. Wrong about 5?
- It happened in front of my eyes
- One of the 5 that moved back was my Karl-Gerat 040. Oh wait, the Russians managed to capture it!
- The bunker was visible
- After the AI's turn, I had to move them back to their previous location as good as possible
- I'm not color blind, actually I'm a part-time graphics designer with a keen eye for details
- ....the same keen eye for details I have as an IT guy for over 26 years
- I kept asking myself several times if I did see something else, but I simply have no doubts whatsoever

[Wings]

Did you play with the settings using the editor?

No, the original scenario, I haven't even saved anything yet with the editor.

[Wings]

Btw' I'm hoping to record this a second time with Fraps, but for some odd reason Fraps doesn't seem to work with this game, at least not with v3.4.5

[AgentX]

Btw' I'm hoping to record this a second time with Fraps, but for some odd reason Fraps doesn't seem to work with this game, at least not with v3.4.5

What operating system are you using? You can use Fraps, but you need to activate the 'Monitor AERO Desktop' option and you only get that option if you have Vista or Win7. If you're on WinXP, it doesn't use Aero and you won't be able to use Fraps.

[Wings]

You can use Fraps, but you need to activate the 'Monitor AERO Desktop' option and you only get that option if you have Vista or Win7.

Great, that did it! Thank you very much!

[Rudankort]

Do you still have a save of that game, AFTER your tanks were moved by the AI?

[Wings]

Do you still have a save of that game, AFTER your tanks were moved by the AI?

I wish I had Rudankort, wish I had... The point is that I didn't think it was a bug, but some sort of forced retreat by the system, which seemed illogical to me at that time, but then again I'm new to this genre and didn't know what to expect. If I suspected a bug, I would have most certainly made a save, a screenshot and checked the log.

All I can say is that there was another issue that was a sign of things not going well, which was like I mentioned earlier about the AI progress bar.
The AI progress bar got stuck at like 1mm of red for 20sec and once it started moving again it still took like almost a minute to finish while the AI was jumping all over the map and moving a lot more units (at least that's how it felt) than in a regular turn. My turns never last that long either, so that did make me suspicious.

Since I've been a developer myself for several years, I know how hard it is for a developer to deal with an issue when there is nothing substantial to hang on to, like files, a log, screenshots, others with a similar problem, so I suggest that we leave at this and hope that I or others catch it again and this time with proof to back it up.

I do hope that by bringing this under the attention, that it might encourage others who read this and who would normally would have thought that they were just seeing things, to come forward. Nevertheless I'm 100% sure about what I saw, so I will keep on eye the AI's actions very carefully for quite a long time, because in my case it had a major effect on my game when 5 tanks were moved back 4-5 tiles.

[IainMcNeil]

If you see anything odd like this can you save immediately and we can check it out. I've never heard of anything like it but that doesn't mean its not possible.

[Kerensky]

If you are randomly clicking around on the screen during the AI turn, it is sometimes possible to 'queue up' orders, thus causing the behavior you observed.

Were you just watching the AI turn, or clicking around occasionally. As you said, it was taking longer than usual....?

[Wings]

If you see anything odd like this can you save immediately and we can check it out.

Oh yes, I most certainly will, this is the fist WWII turn based hex game that I actually like since the early eighties when I started playing my first PC computer games and I'll do everything to keep it that way! They did such a great job on this one in so many areas, I just can't say that enough!

[Wings]

If you are randomly clicking around on the screen during the AI turn, it is sometimes possible to 'queue up' orders, thus causing the behavior you observed.

Were you just watching the AI turn, or clicking around occasionally. As you said, it was taking longer than usual....?

No, I didn't do any of that, I was just in a very relaxed way observing what the AI did in the hope to learn something from it. When the tanks were moved backwards, I saw it happening in front of my eyes while the AI was still thinking (the progress bar has only like 1mm of red).

The move started with the top tank, then the next one, the 3rd etc, almost like someone took a ruler and pushed them to the left, with the only difference that in this case they weren't moved all at the same time, but as far as I can remember from top to bottom. The only thing I did at that time was frown my forehead, stare with big eyes and an open mouth and say short after "What the f.... " when I also saw the Karel-Gerat 040(!) moving backwards on my 22" monitor less than 2 feet away from me.

[Obsolete]

I had played hundreds of turns (actually thousands maybe) and haven't seen this, but it's possible a rare memory leak or something occured on your box.

I guess this would have been another good reason for getting the replayer to ship out in the current release.