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Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Sun May 15, 2011 1:09 pm

I'm new to the beta test and after half way through the tutorial campaign would like to share my thoughts on Panzer Corps 0.96b so far:

- Brings back Panzer General feeling in a very good way.
- Great battle animations.
- AI seems quite good.

- There should be more informations provided in tooltips rather than in the side bar.
- Can't load a game when actually in a game. Have to go to main menu to do that. This is annoying.
- Not able to find shortcuts with the exception of STRG + S for save.
- Information on enemy units should be displayed alsongside the side bar also on top or bottom of page
- Battle results should be displayed also on top or bottom of page. At the moment there is only information about how many points are lost on the unit itself.
- Red line which is displayed on units which can't move any more sometimes leads to me not able to easy identify the remaining strength of the unit.
- When deploying troups and click on an unit to deploy, it is difficult do determine which stats are valid for this unit in the side bar.
- I would prefer to use the left mouse button for selecting an unit and also moving/attacking, etc. like in the original Panzer General.
- When selecting "New Game" it should default go to the campaign screen, not scenario screen.
- Buttons for Play/Cancel in campaign/scenario screen are to small for my taste and hard to find. Should be place more visible on the screen.
- Purchase Screen - when selecting an unit with carrier (artillery with Opel Blitz f.e.) deselecting the carrier is not possible any more.
- There should be some sound/animation when an unit is destroyed.
- When an unit is heavily damaged it should be possible to overrun the unit as in Panzer General.
- When an unit is heavily damaged and encircled with units it should forfeit, also as in Panzer General.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Sun May 15, 2011 4:50 pm

Bug:
Installation - If you select D:\Games\Panzer Corps as path it installs to D:\Games\Panzer Corps\Panzer Corps

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:15 am

Status in 0.98.

Alex2001 wrote: Bug:
Installation - If you select D:\Games\Panzer Corps as path it installs to D:\Games\Panzer Corps\Panzer Corps

Stilll there.

Alex2001 wrote: - Not able to find shortcuts with the exception of STRG + S for save.
- Red line which is displayed on units which can't move any more sometimes leads to me not able to easy identify the remaining strength of the unit.
- When selecting "New Game" it should default go to the campaign screen, not scenario screen.
- Buttons for Play/Cancel in campaign/scenario screen are to small for my taste and hard to find. Should be place more visible on the screen.

Fixed or solved otherwise.

Alex2001 wrote: - Can't load a game when actually in a game. Have to go to main menu to do that. This is annoying.
- Purchase Screen - when selecting an unit with carrier (artillery with Opel Blitz f.e.) deselecting the carrier is not possible any more.
- There should be some sound/animation when an unit is destroyed.

Still to implement.

Alex2001 wrote: - There should be more informations provided in tooltips rather than in the side bar.
- Information on enemy units should be displayed alsongside the side bar also on top or bottom of page
- Battle results should be displayed also on top or bottom of page. At the moment there is only information about how many points are lost on the unit itself.
- When deploying troups and click on an unit to deploy, it is difficult do determine which stats are valid for this unit in the side bar.
- I would prefer to use the left mouse button for selecting an unit and also moving/attacking, etc. like in the original Panzer General.
- When an unit is heavily damaged it should be possible to overrun the unit as in Panzer General.
- When an unit is heavily damaged and encircled with units it should forfeit, also as in Panzer General.

Nice to have.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Tue May 24, 2011 4:51 pm

Bug:
- Not able to win tutorial scenario although all victory points taken (could not find attach file function in phpbb board system, otherwise I could have provided save game)
- Battle outcome is always identical on the same map, no harzard in place

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Tue May 24, 2011 5:04 pm

Alex2001 wrote:Bug:
- Not able to win tutorial scenario although all victory points taken (could not find attach file function in phpbb board system, otherwise I could have provided save game)
- Battle outcome is always identical on the same map, no harzard in place

Hey Alex, are you using a saved game from version 0.96 with version 0.98?

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Tue May 24, 2011 5:38 pm

Rudankort wrote:
Alex2001 wrote:Bug:
- Not able to win tutorial scenario although all victory points taken (could not find attach file function in phpbb board system, otherwise I could have provided save game)
- Battle outcome is always identical on the same map, no harzard in place
Hey Alex, are you using a saved game from version 0.96 with version 0.98?

Ähmm, yes. Installed 0.98 over 0.96 when it came out and continued game.

Steelslayer · Post by **Steelslayer** » Tue May 24, 2011 5:43 pm

had some issues with saved campaign games too Alex after installing the newer version. I would just cut losses and start them again

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Tue May 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Steelslayer wrote:had some issues with saved campaign games too Alex after installing the newer version. I would just cut losses and start them again

Arggggh..
The only problem is, if another beta comes out I can start over again.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Tue May 24, 2011 7:13 pm

Alex2001 wrote: Arggggh..
The only problem is, if another beta comes out I can start over again.

Normally we preserve backwards compatibility between betas, but in this particular case, unfortunately, this was not really an option. However, all is not lost. You can use cheat code to trigger the victory which you deserved, and the following scenarios should proceed as normal.

Razz1 · Post by **Razz1** » Tue May 24, 2011 7:24 pm

Cheaters never win!

Or do they? ? ?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:27 pm

Nice little thread, I guess it got lost in the Great Forum Merger.

So going over your nice updated list...

Bug:
Installation - If you select D:\Games\Panzer Corps as path it installs to D:\Games\Panzer Corps\Panzer Corps

This was mentioned somewhere as a byproduct of windows installs I believe. For people who installed to Desktop or C: directory, they are automatically given a subfolder.
It's a minor annoyance to people who actually know to make their own folder, but it's not game breaking I don't think.

- Can't load a game when actually in a game. Have to go to main menu to do that. This is annoying.

I've been saying this since BETA 1.
Post #2 Article #9 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

- Purchase Screen - when selecting an unit with carrier (artillery with Opel Blitz f.e.) deselecting the carrier is not possible any more.

As a temporary solution, you can select a new unit to clear the transport selection, and then return to your wanted purchase to remove the transport.
This problem is somewhat related to Post #1 Article #11 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

- There should be some sound/animation when an unit is destroyed.

A lot of people seem to request this idea, I'll add it to the list.

- There should be more informations provided in tooltips rather than in the side bar.

Such as... this sort of thing?
viewtopic.php?t=22547&highlight=sturmpanzer

- Information on enemy units should be displayed alsongside the side bar also on top or bottom of page
- Battle results should be displayed also on top or bottom of page. At the moment there is only information about how many points are lost on the unit itself.

Would require extensive UI re-working, so not going to happen before release. In the mean time 'L' hotkey to view the combat log should help. Additionally though, we do plan to have floating text to represent damage be placed directly on the map.
Post#2 Article #9.5 on The List

- I would prefer to use the left mouse button for selecting an unit and also moving/attacking, etc. like in the original Panzer General.

Post#2 Article #1 on The List.

- When an unit is heavily damaged it should be possible to overrun the unit as in Panzer General.

Discussion is here:
viewtopic.php?t=23891

- When an unit is heavily damaged and encircled with units it should forfeit, also as in Panzer General.

Already implemented. Units with suppression > strength are forced to retreat. If no retreat options are available because of terrain or unit blocking, unit surrenders.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:17 am

Thx for your extensive udpate, much appreciated.

Kerensky wrote:
- I would prefer to use the left mouse button for selecting an unit and also moving/attacking, etc. like in the original Panzer General.
Post#2 Article #1 on The List.

Have to add that handling is also inconsistent here. Because you do moving/attacking with right mouse button, but deploying units at the beginning of a scenario or purchased units with the left mouse button. Had a frustrating moment at first, because when you use the right mouse button for deploying a purchased unit nothing happens and purchase is cancelled which led to me doing it all over again, this time with left mouse button.

Rudankort wrote:
Alex2001 wrote: Arggggh..
The only problem is, if another beta comes out I can start over again.
Normally we preserve backwards compatibility between betas, but in this particular case, unfortunately, this was not really an option. However, all is not lost. You can use cheat code to trigger the victory which you deserved, and the following scenarios should proceed as normal.

Saw a thread with cheat codes but can't find it any more. Can you point me to it?

Kerensky · Post by **Kerensky** » Wed May 25, 2011 5:35 am

viewtopic.php?t=21909

Got renamed to condense the amount of stickies in this forum.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Fri May 27, 2011 2:48 pm

Status in 0.99:

Kerensky wrote:
- Can't load a game when actually in a game. Have to go to main menu to do that. This is annoying.
I've been saying this since BETA 1.
Post #2 Article #9 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

- Purchase Screen - when selecting an unit with carrier (artillery with Opel Blitz f.e.) deselecting the carrier is not possible any more.
As a temporary solution, you can select a new unit to clear the transport selection, and then return to your wanted purchase to remove the transport.
This problem is somewhat related to Post #1 Article #11 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

- There should be some sound/animation when an unit is destroyed.
A lot of people seem to request this idea, I'll add it to the list.

None of the above seems to be fixed/added.
Loading from a game has to be added before release. Please assign shortcut CTRL+L. Should not be hard to implement i think.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Fri May 27, 2011 2:49 pm

Status in 0.99:

Alex2001 wrote:Thx for your extensive udpate, much appreciated.

Kerensky wrote:
- I would prefer to use the left mouse button for selecting an unit and also moving/attacking, etc. like in the original Panzer General.
Post#2 Article #1 on The List.
Have to add that handling is also inconsistent here. Because you do moving/attacking with right mouse button, but deploying units at the beginning of a scenario or purchased units with the left mouse button. Had a frustrating moment at first, because when you use the right mouse button for deploying a purchased unit nothing happens and purchase is cancelled which led to me doing it all over again, this time with left mouse button.

It is possible now to deploy units at beginning of scenario with right mouse button as well as when you purchase an unit.

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:35 pm

Alex2001 wrote:- Purchase Screen - when selecting an unit with carrier (artillery with Opel Blitz f.e.) deselecting the carrier is not possible any more.

Kerensky wrote:As a temporary solution, you can select a new unit to clear the transport selection, and then return to your wanted purchase to remove the transport. This problem is somewhat related to Post #1 Article #11 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

Fixed with "No Transport option".

Alex2001 wrote:- Can't load a game when actually in a game. Have to go to main menu to do that. This is annoying.

Kerensky wrote:I've been saying this since BETA 1.
Post #2 Article #9 on The List.
viewtopic.php?t=24157

Still no option to do this. Disappointing.
Loading from a game has to be added before release. Please assign shortcut CTRL+L. Should not be hard to implement i think.

Alex2001 wrote:- There should be some sound/animation when an unit is destroyed.

Kerensky wrote:A lot of people seem to request this idea, I'll add it to the list.

No change.

Release 0.999 broke backwards compatibility. Uninstalled previous beta before. When you select the Purchase game crashes.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:54 pm

When you say it broken backwards compatability what do you mean? Saved games should load?

We ask you to unsinstall between each beta - this is not a compatability issue - its just beta testing

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:07 pm

iainmcneil wrote:When you say it broken backwards compatability what do you mean? Saved games should load?

We ask you to unsinstall between each beta - this is not a compatability issue - its just beta testing

Yep they do load, but when you select the Purchase screen the game crashes. Works fine with a new game.

Rudankort · Post by **Rudankort** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:25 pm

Alex2001 wrote:Yep they do load, but when you select the Purchase screen the game crashes. Works fine with a new game.

Confirmed and fixed.
http://slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24902

Alex2001 · Post by **Alex2001** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:55 am

A thing I noticed is that it is really difficult to deselect an air unit. With a ground unit you normally click on a not highlighted hex but because air units have quite a range it is challenging to to it here. Can you integrate a shortcut to cancel selecting an unit?

Thought that I read somewhere that the AI does not cheat....well....playing "Fall Weiss" now and AI replaced the losses of an artillery and overstrenghtend it in one turn.