15 March 44 bc sad day

Jilu · Post by **Jilu** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:03 am

The Tyrant Gauis Julius Ceasar was assassinated today in the Senate ... Lets all morn the death of a tyrant.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:05 am

Dictator, not tyrant

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:20 am

One mans Tyrant is another mans Dear Leader

Strategos69 · Post by **Strategos69** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:31 am

Hehehe actually also Imperator and Divus

Jilu · Post by **Jilu** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:54 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Dictator, not tyrant

For some Senators he was a Tyrant just ask Cato

philbagnall · Post by **philbagnall** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:29 pm

Jilu wrote:
nikgaukroger wrote:Dictator, not tyrant
For some Senators he was a Tyrant just ask Cato

... but tyrant here is an opinion, Dictator an office & title of state

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:27 pm

What is interesting is how the terms cahgned in the consciousness.

Today. Brutus is popularly a traitor to a friend. Someone to be reviled.

Julius Caesar seems the popular guy played by all the great actors and you want to be a caesar. It was applied to MacArthur with some admiration as well as arrogance. It still means arrogant, but not necessarily bad.

Compared to 18th centruy where the conspirators were the friends of liberty and agains the evils of empire.

Of course shakespeare rather favored Julius and Anthony.

davesaunders23 · Post by **davesaunders23** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:30 pm

philqw78 wrote:One mans Tyrant is another mans Dear Leader

Tyrant had a completely different meaning to the Romans than our understanding.

was certainly less perjorative. even positive. in certain circumstances.

Scrumpy · Post by **Scrumpy** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:08 pm

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6BJJe9JV_A

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:57 am

davesaunders23 wrote:
philqw78 wrote:One mans Tyrant is another mans Dear Leader
Tyrant had a completely different meaning to the Romans than our understanding.

was certainly less perjorative. even positive. in certain circumstances.

While I agree different. You have to sort out when it was a title in non-roman lands. I think as a "description" it is not a positive to Romans, but perhaps more kindlly thatn King.

I think to Romans its more a matter of the office of Dictator was an office rather than a pejorative. I think

Phaze_of_the_Moon · Post by **Phaze_of_the_Moon** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:18 am

A tyrant (Greek τύραννος, tyrannos) is one who illegally seizes and controls a governmental power in a polis.

Plato and Aristotle define a tyrant as, "one who rules without law, looks to his own advantage rather than that of his subjects, and uses extreme and cruel tactics -- against his own people as well as others".

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:36 am

hazelbark wrote:While I agree different.

So don't I.