And I thought after Usk that the test would be smooth :)

[hammy]

Loads of minor questions from last nights game:

1) If a BG is charging it is allowed to select a direction of charge. Does the selected direction of charge have to be able to contact the target? (I assume that you should). If this is the case placing a BG just inside the charge range of an enemy BG will have the following effects:
* Limit the enemy shift to half a base (full move not possible)
* If the enemy is undrilled force a CT if it wants to move but not charge
* and essentially force the direction of charge to be directly forwards.
Overall it is probably reasonable but I have a feeling that there may be some cheese possible as a result.

2) We had a combat between two small BG's and one larger BG frontally but one of the smaller BG's was hit in the flank and broke. The routing BG moved 5 MU's the flanking BG also moved 5 MU's but if you look at wheels and such it would appear that the flanking BG may be outdistanced. Is this going to be covered in the diagrams? How should this work?

3) When a BG breaks are the CT's taken before or after the rout move (I think before)? The reason for asking is that when a BG broke that had been flank charged the flank chargers could possibly have been a flank threat for the next BG in the line. We eventualluy concluded that the next BG didn't have a threatened flank.

4) If a BG wants to turn 90 degrees but there are troops in the way preventing the bases from turning does this cause a problem if the turned BG will have space after it moves? If the BG isn't moving does it make the move impossible?

5) A routing BG being pursued slides along the edge of a BG friendly to the routers. Can the friendly BG turn 90 to face the pursuers (CMT allowing)? The problem is that after the turn the turned BG will be touching the flank of the pursuers. We flet that the BG should be allowed to turn but moved back slightly as it couldn't contact the pursuers.

6) A BG of shock troops fails it's CMT and charges burting through part of a BG of light foot. The light foot are displaced but part of the BG of light foot is not in front of the chargers, it is instead in front of a deeper formation of friends where does it go.

ASCII attempt

Code: Select all

TT
 LLL
CCCFFF
  SS
  SS

T is the target, L are the light foot, C are the Chargers, F are the friends and S are the supports. I am not sure where the light foot should end up (OK, they proobably shouldn't have been there in the first place)

7) When a BG rallies does it turn round? I was gaily turning a rellied BG arround when Alan queried me. It happens in every other set of rules I have ever played but I don't think it does in AoW, am I right?

I have a two wide formation, Alan is one wide, he expands to counter my overlap, can I match this and create a new overlap? I think I can and it will be clear from the diagrams, Alan is not sure that match an expansion allows me to do that.

9) I got a BG of cavalry into a fun possition. One of Alan's BG's failed a CMT for shock troops and charged. My cavalry were able to intercept the chargers with a flank charge but on the way one of the bases of cavalry caught the rear of another of Alan's BG's before stepping forwards to hit the chargers (I said it was a fun possition). Can an intercept charge hit things other than the BG being intercepted and if so can it hit the other troops before it makes it's interception?

Not a bad list for one game

Hammy

[sagji]

Loads of minor questions from last nights game:

1) If a BG is charging it is allowed to select a direction of charge. Does the selected direction of charge have to be able to contact the target? (I assume that you should). If this is the case placing a BG just inside the charge range of an enemy BG will have the following effects:
* Limit the enemy shift to half a base (full move not possible)
* If the enemy is undrilled force a CT if it wants to move but not charge
* and essentially force the direction of charge to be directly forwards.
Overall it is probably reasonable but I have a feeling that there may be some cheese possible as a result.

Situation from memory

Cav protected Superior Lance, Sword directly facing and 5 MU from LH unprotected Average Javelin Light Spear.
To the left and forward of the LH, and inclined to face the Cavalry HF Armoured Elite Impact foot Sword but not close enough to intercept. There was nothing to the right of the LH.

What the cavalry really wanted to do was wheel to move away from the HF as part of a forced charge.

Can a charger wheel to decrease the number of bases contacted?
Can a charger wheel to avoid an interception, if so how is this determined as the sequence is - declare, CMT, declare evade and interception, then declare line of charge.

Had there been a unit to the right of the LH the cav could have declared a charge against that and thus wheeled to contact it.
When declaring a charge can you declare a charge against a unit you can only hit by stepping forward?
When declaring a charge can you declare a charge against a unit you can only hit if your main target evades and you roll +2 on the VMD?
This may be significant if the unit you might reach wants to intercept another charge.

2) We had a combat between two small BG's and one larger BG frontally but one of the smaller BG's was hit in the flank and broke. The routing BG moved 5 MU's the flanking BG also moved 5 MU's but if you look at wheels and such it would appear that the flanking BG may be outdistanced. Is this going to be covered in the diagrams? How should this work?

The question is how is pursuit measured - the routers moved 5 MU straight back, if the flank unit pursues has to wheel or pivot it can't reach - it you just move it 5 MU towards the routers it could end with 1 corner in contact and in a line streaming back.

3) When a BG breaks are the CT's taken before or after the rout move (I think before)? The reason for asking is that when a BG broke that had been flank charged the flank chargers could possibly have been a flank threat for the next BG in the line. We eventualluy concluded that the next BG didn't have a threatened flank.

Does the broken unit that triggered the check count as being there to prevent flank charge?

My thought is you should move the router(s) first, and then roll - it is the rout move itself that triggers the roll rather than the breaking of the unit which wouldn't in itself be noticable.

4) If a BG wants to turn 90 degrees but there are troops in the way preventing the bases from turning does this cause a problem if the turned BG will have space after it moves? If the BG isn't moving does it make the move impossible?

I think it should not have to have space at the point of the turn - the change in shape is a limitation of using bases in reality the unit is the same shape as before.
Likewise if turns without moving it should get a minimum shift to fit.
But what happens if this is not enough?


10) A BG is in a column. It is charged in both flanks and each charger contacts the rear 3 bases. Is the combat 6 dice vs 6 dice, or 12 vs 6?

[shall]

Loads of minor questions from last nights game:

1) If a BG is charging it is allowed to select a direction of charge. Does the selected direction of charge have to be able to contact the target? (I assume that you should). If this is the case placing a BG just inside the charge range of an enemy BG will have the following effects:
* Limit the enemy shift to half a base (full move not possible)
* If the enemy is undrilled force a CT if it wants to move but not charge
* and essentially force the direction of charge to be directly forwards.
Overall it is probably reasonable but I have a feeling that there may be some cheese possible as a result.

yes yes and ?. You can always wheel as part of a charge.

2) We had a combat between two small BG's and one larger BG frontally but one of the smaller BG's was hit in the flank and broke. The routing BG moved 5 MU's the flanking BG also moved 5 MU's but if you look at wheels and such it would appear that the flanking BG may be outdistanced. Is this going to be covered in the diagrams? How should this work?

Its on our list from Usk. Pursuers will maintain contact and go in the rear.

3) When a BG breaks are the CT's taken before or after the rout move (I think before)? The reason for asking is that when a BG broke that had been flank charged the flank chargers could possibly have been a flank threat for the next BG in the line. We eventualluy concluded that the next BG didn't have a threatened flank.

Before - rout moves always at the end of a phase.

4) If a BG wants to turn 90 degrees but there are troops in the way preventing the bases from turning does this cause a problem if the turned BG will have space after it moves? If the BG isn't moving does it make the move impossible?

Already covered I think. You can go 1 less width if there is no room to fit. If still doesn't fit - can't be done.

5) A routing BG being pursued slides along the edge of a BG friendly to the routers. Can the friendly BG turn 90 to face the pursuers (CMT allowing)? The problem is that after the turn the turned BG will be touching the flank of the pursuers. We flet that the BG should be allowed to turn but moved back slightly as it couldn't contact the pursuers.

yes it can turn. We need to calrify when troops fight in such a situation. At present they would fight in melee is still touching. This might be sensible. we'll discuss.

Si

[shall]

6) A BG of shock troops fails it's CMT and charges burting through part of a BG of light foot. The light foot are displaced but part of the BG of light foot is not in front of the chargers, it is instead in front of a deeper formation of friends where does it go.

ASCII attempt

Code:

TT
LLL
CCCFFF
SS
SS




T is the target, L are the light foot, C are the Chargers, F are the friends and S are the supports. I am not sure where the light foot should end up (OK, they proobably shouldn't have been there in the first place)

Moved backward to make room. So behind everything if necessary.

7) When a BG rallies does it turn round? I was gaily turning a rellied BG arround when Alan queried me. It happens in every other set of rules I have ever played but I don't think it does in AoW, am I right?

Yes it reforms and can turn around. I need to check the rules but that is how it has been played.

I have a two wide formation, Alan is one wide, he expands to counter my overlap, can I match this and create a new overlap? I think I can and it will be clear from the diagrams, Alan is not sure that match an expansion allows me to do that.

Just one or the other. Will be clearer in the new edition. If he has enough troops he will keep a numbers edge therefore. Serves you right for being in column!

9) I got a BG of cavalry into a fun possition. One of Alan's BG's failed a CMT for shock troops and charged. My cavalry were able to intercept the chargers with a flank charge but on the way one of the bases of cavalry caught the rear of another of Alan's BG's before stepping forwards to hit the chargers (I said it was a fun possition). Can an intercept charge hit things other than the BG being intercepted and if so can it hit the other troops before it makes it's interception?

I think you will find it says you move your bases forward within your intercept zone. You are intercepting rather than charging. On that basis its probably a no as you couldn't intercept due to the friends in the way. I will mull over check and come back to you on that one.

Si

[hammy]

I have a two wide formation, Alan is one wide, he expands to counter my overlap, can I match this and create a new overlap? I think I can and it will be clear from the diagrams, Alan is not sure that match an expansion allows me to do that.

Just one or the other. Will be clearer in the new edition. If he has enough troops he will keep a numbers edge therefore. Serves you right for being in column!

By just one or the other I assume you mean that the other side could expand to retain the overlap that has been cancelled or to expand on the other flank and make an overlap? It can probably wait till the next set of rules as I think ti will be covered but Alan interpreted meet in a different way to me.

9) I got a BG of cavalry into a fun possition. One of Alan's BG's failed a CMT for shock troops and charged. My cavalry were able to intercept the chargers with a flank charge but on the way one of the bases of cavalry caught the rear of another of Alan's BG's before stepping forwards to hit the chargers (I said it was a fun possition). Can an intercept charge hit things other than the BG being intercepted and if so can it hit the other troops before it makes it's interception?

I think you will find it says you move your bases forward within your intercept zone. You are intercepting rather than charging. On that basis its probably a no as you couldn't intercept due to the friends in the way. I will mull over check and come back to you on that one.

Sorry, slight confusion here, the troops in the way were enemy and the intercept of the charging BG resulted in a flank charge on them and also because they were in the way a rear charge on another enemy BG. One charge two very unhappy BG's