How about the Eastern Front???

Jonesy1760 · Post by **Jonesy1760** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:59 pm

OK..well the western front is covered very nicely...how about the Eastern Front now???

madasaskaven · Post by **madasaskaven** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:16 pm

I agree, i'd love to have a kursk or stalingrad

Richie61 · Post by **Richie61** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:35 am

I was wondering about this area of theater myself. The East would be VERY COOL!

Post by **pipfromslitherine** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:45 pm

It would be pretty shocking if there wasn't an expansion in that vein at some point I think

. But we would probably want to add in a few new features to better simulate the intense urban nature of some of the battles, and perhaps some of the C&C issues that the Russians suffered from (so I am told...).

Cheers

Pip

Jonesy1760 · Post by **Jonesy1760** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:40 pm

Pip,,,
Any movement forward on an Eastern Front disk or whole seperate BA game would get my approval...I will even volunteer to do beta testing!!!

Skanvak · Post by **Skanvak** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:18 pm

Will you put increase moral value for soviet unit being fired at by soviet machine guns?

TempV · Post by **TempV** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:04 am

Skanvak wrote:Will you put increase moral value for soviet unit being fired at by soviet machine guns?

Some cliches are so boring.... Watch Brest Fortress instead Enemy at the Gates.

Skanvak · Post by **Skanvak** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:52 am

I will wait until you do better research, than quoting 2 movies I didn't see, before changing my mind about the way russian managed their human wave attack, or the mine field crossing. Thought part of this technics strated in 42 due to shortage of weapons but not of men. Brest is which battle? I guess there are three battles for this fortress : 39-41-44.

To be on topics, this would be nice to have the poles and hypothetical tchecoslovaquian army vs Axis.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:53 am

Skanvak wrote:I will wait until you do better research, than quoting 2 movies I didn't see, before changing my mind about the way russian managed their human wave attack, or the mine field crossing.

Not to derail but I think it was from an epsoide of World War II in color that ran on the Military Channel about the Eastern Front. Two things really struck me. One was a quote from Stalin in which he said that it took a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army. The second were the three types, or level, of troops that they discussed. The first were the penal units made up of low level criminals and men who had commitment some military infractions. It was these units that were sent out on foot to "clear out minefields" and flush out the positions of enemy units. These units suffered extremely high casualties. The second level were the shock troops made up of the "average" soldier or conscripts. These fared better than the penal units but still suffered very high casualties. They were generally employed across a wide front against the enemy. The third level were the guard units made up of the elite Soviet troops and they were used to exploit the areas in the enemy lines that the shock troops were making breakthroughs.

Also, it was mentioned that men were randomly picked and executed from units with high desertion rates as a deterrent to desertion. These were men who had NOT deserted but stayed around.

EDIT: I had "second" and "third" swapped in what I meant to say. I edited to correct this. Though it takes me three edits to do this simple grammatical swap.

TempV · Post by **TempV** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:54 am

Skanvak wrote:I will wait until you do better research...

Oh, and that I heard many times too - you westerners know our history better than ourselves of course!

Same clishes are repeating over and over again. Same Stalin's quote, same mass media content, same "researches". Yes, there were penal battalions (shtrafbats in Russian). Yes, there were human wave attacks, mostly in first half of GPW. How many? How often?
All in all, during whole GPW there were 427 910 men in penal battalions/companies. In comparsion 34 476 700 men were listed in the ranks of Red Army during the war. This means 1,24% of the total.
Another example. Total casualties (KIA, WIA, MIA) of Red Army in 1944 count 6 503 204 including 170 298 from penal units. Math the percentage.
Total military deaths of Red Army are estimated 8,6 mlns, German military deaths at Eastern Front are estimated about 4,5 mlns.You don't even have 2:1 ratio here and I do not speak about 10:1 ratio that one can find in some western "researches" because it's nonsense.
But our western "researcher" don't want to see through figures, all that he see is human waves of under-armed conscripts, penal units, terrific NKVD and so on...
What you do westerners still cannot understand is the fact Soviet people fought not by the fear of Stalin and NKVD. They fought for their land, their lives and lives of their children. For the freedom.
What you do not consider while talking about USSR during WW2 is the fact it lost its entire pre-war army and had to build a new one. We didn't have much time, we didn't sit three years guarded by ocean and Navy, preparing for the invasion, training the armies. And what do we see nowadays? "Anglo-Americans came and saved the world (OMG, that tale still lives after so many good researches and books!) How about the Russians? Oh yes, they fought too, but they had only one rifle for two men, they attacked in human waves because Stalin stood behind the lines and personally shoot any deserters." I would put smile here, but I won't because this is not funny.
Red Army had many brilliant tacticians and strategist, Red Army soldier matched his German counterpart, we had very good weapons (esply tanks). You can find many accounts of these subjects in memoires of our enemies - former officers of Third Reich.
P.S. Sorry for grammar, I don't know English well.

Skanvak · Post by **Skanvak** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:25 pm

You know why people don't listen to you? Because you are insulting and arrogant. I am not Anglo-american, my people were not protected by water and fight german on land from 39 to 45. I perfectly remind that my grand father, prisoner from the German, was liberated by the Soviet only to realize that they were taking them eastward, so he had to escape its "liberators".

So when I see people so arrogant with their self knowledge, that I just dismiss what they sey even is some parcel are true.

Where do you take you numbers?
From what can you you say that there was no wave attacks? That the soviet fired at retreating troops in Stalingrad?

You just decided to flame.

Post by **pipfromslitherine** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:48 pm

Discussion of the historical evidence is fine, but let's keep it civil. Remember that some people are using a second language, so things can come across differently than intended.

That said - let's everyone play nice.

Cheers

Pip

Jonesy1760 · Post by **Jonesy1760** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:53 pm

I didn't mean to start a rumble!!!! I just want to play the Eastern Front on Battlefield Academy..If you have not tried multiplayer give it a go. Tremendous fun and you will meet people from all over the world!!

MrsWargamer · Post by **MrsWargamer** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:25 pm

An eastern front game is alright with me of course. frankly I will probably buy anything made for this engine as it's the only thing made for wargaming that has actually been a hands down good idea purchase in 10 years. Sure there are games out there that seem like awesome examples of programming skill, so what, the gamer still needs to actually spend a lot of time playing it eh.

But just as Battles in Italy was a good effort, I'd like to see some of that theatre in the next release for BBC BA to hit the front page as well.

And I'm sure a lot of us are itching to have a go against Japan too. And not just as the marines. I'm open to playing as the British in South East Asia too.

And I am not saying it has to be WW2, as I would gladly welcome some of the critical moments of the fighting in post WW2 Korea.

Either way, my wallet is waiting

soldier · Post by **soldier** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:11 am

The eastern front has always held a dark fascination for me and is my favourite front to play. Some more variety in troop types (eg partisans ,conscripts, elites) and terrain (steppe, urban, forest) played out on an expanded version of BA would be fantastic. I also think this engine could be tweaked to provide some damn fine naval combat in a pacific campaign.

Jonesy1760 · Post by **Jonesy1760** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:09 am

I say yes to the Italian Campaign!!!! GOOD IDEA!

Skanvak · Post by **Skanvak** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:45 pm

DSWargamer wrote:An eastern front game is alright with me of course. frankly I will probably buy anything made for this engine as it's the only thing made for wargaming that has actually been a hands down good idea purchase in 10 years. Sure there are games out there that seem like awesome examples of programming skill, so what, the gamer still needs to actually spend a lot of time playing it eh.

But just as Battles in Italy was a good effort, I'd like to see some of that theatre in the next release for BBC BA to hit the front page as well.

And I'm sure a lot of us are itching to have a go against Japan too. And not just as the marines. I'm open to playing as the British in South East Asia too.

And I am not saying it has to be WW2, as I would gladly welcome some of the critical moments of the fighting in post WW2 Korea.

Either way, my wallet is waiting

Definetly, a Korean campaign would be nice. I think that this game as potential to be a successor to steel panther.

I rather have a Burmese campaign or a Chinese Campaign.

tlsjr117 · Post by **tlsjr117** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:46 am

Skanvak wrote: I think that this game as potential to be a successor to steel panther.

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Here Here !!

Jonesy1760 · Post by **Jonesy1760** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:51 am

I have bothe win SPWW2 and of course BA. They are both fun in their own ways...I would like to see more scenarios for BA.

MrsWargamer · Post by **MrsWargamer** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:35 pm

I'm a very hard core Steel Panthers fan (I have every single version of it).

Sadly time has not been kind to Steel Panthers and unless you still have a computer circa 2002 at the latest running Windows 98SE at the most, you are simply likely out of luck short of being a total computer geek/nerd (and I know precisely all the tricks).

BBC BA is software for today's computer reality, and to be honest, it is closer to I think what the makers of Steel Panthers had in mind. A few tanks some squads some support stuff and no need to be playing it for days in some cases. Visually it is very rewarding. Every last comment including the observation 'cartoony' please leave and go play something mad by Gary then. The multi player is the best I have ever experienced in any form of electronic wargaming since I have been playing any form of electronic wargaming. I say that knowing what Close Combat is like as well. Granted Close Combat is very close (hehe unintended pun there).

A tragedy, is Slitherine fails to offer several expansions to this engine. I can't see why they wouldn't. I am more than willing to purchase.
Yes I know, very easy to use the editor. I'm lazy, yes I said it, lazy

I simply don't feel like doing the work. Here's some money you do it hehe.