War of Reformation

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:17 am

I know it happened in the early 1500's.. But i see no mention of it in any of the books, nor do i see any army lists...

I am to be honest ignorant of the period.. But i am interested in learning more about it. Like Ulrich Zwinli and Martin Luther.. I know battles were fought.. As Ulrich was killed in Kappel in like 1532.

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:02 pm

Andy

There are two that I am aware of, both covered by armies in Trade and Treachery (Companion 2). There may be a 3rd war in the 1530s, I will see what I can find out.

In the 1520s there is The German Peasants War and in the 1540s The Schmalkaldic War.

Regards
Tim

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:58 am

Thanks.. Was just wondering which lists would be used... Swiss?

panda2 · Post by **panda2** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:43 am

Andy,

Zwingli was killed when accompanying the forces of Zurich during the wars of the Kappel (1529-1531). These were conflicts between protestant and catholic swiss cantons, so I assume swiss lists would be appropriate for both sides. The catholic cantons were allied with Austria, but I'm not aware that any Austrian forces became involved.

If your interest is mainly in conflicts in Germany in the early C16th resulting from the reformation then, as Tim has said, the Peasants War (1524-26) and the Schmalkaldic War (1546-7) are both relevant.

The Peasants War was fought mainly in SW germany between leagues of german peasants and the aristocratic Swabian League. I don't yet have Trade and Treachery, but I note that there is a Peasants War list and I guess the Swabian League might be best represented by the German States list (someone with the book may be able to confirm).

The Schmalkaldic War was fought between the Schmalkaldick League of protestant german princes and the Imperial forces of Charles V. It ultimately resulted in the Peace of Augsburg, which gave official recognition to the Lutheran church within those german provinces of the empire ruled by lutheran princes. In the absence of Trade and Treachery, I guess the Caroline Imperial list would be appropriate for the imperial forces and the German States for the Schmalkaldick League (again, someone with the book may be able to confirm).

Andy

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:44 am

Andy

I now see what you are getting at. There were a couple of minor wars between the two I listed.

One was really a siege in Westphalia (IIRC) but the one you are thinking of includes the battle of Kappel which my sources have as 1531 (which is why I missed it first time round) that may be called the wars of reformation in Swiss, I don't know. As far as I know neither of these is covered by the published lists but I would expect you could cover Kappel by the Swiss list, or you could take that and create a player designed list for our edification.

Hope that helps (I doubt it).

Regards
Tim

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:51 pm

Awesome guys, thanks alot!

timmy1 · Post by **timmy1** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:31 pm

Andy

I have been in contact with the person who wrote the German etc. lists for the 16th Century. For the Wars of the Kappel, he confirmed that the Swiss list that stops in 1515 would be fine for that war as not much had changed.

Regards
Tim

Andy1972 · Post by **Andy1972** » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:09 am

Before FOGR came out..(I know little of the period of 1500-1775) I was always under the impression that their was a major war between the Protestants and the Catholics during Martin Luthers time.. In a very old family history book(published around 1900ish).. They talked about the war of reformation, that was based on family lore and not a history book.

Ulrich Zwingli was a follower of his teachings and family lore has it that Swingle's are a decent of him.. Though a family friend has seemed to disproven that.. Though not totally.

ShrubMiK · Post by **ShrubMiK** » Fri May 06, 2011 7:20 am

I recommend this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(novel)

I have no idea how strictly historically accurate it is, being when all is said and done a novel rather than a history book!

But it is a cracking good read and seemed to give a very good flavour for the times, major events, major personalities involved in shaping them, and the currents of thought that were swirling around. Certainly kindled my interest in a period I knew very little about previously (apart from a vague memory from school history lessons that somebody calle Martin Luther was on a diet of worms - yuck!)

hazelbark · Post by **hazelbark** » Fri May 06, 2011 1:58 pm

Andy1972 wrote:Before FOGR came out..(I know little of the period of 1500-1775) I was always under the impression that their was a major war between the Protestants and the Catholics during Martin Luthers time.. In a very old family history book(published around 1900ish).. They talked about the war of reformation, that was based on family lore and not a history book. Ulrich Zwingli was a follower of his teachings and family lore has it that Swingle's are a decent of him.. Though a family friend has seemed to disproven that.. Though not totally.

The Wars of reformation are a much later term for the era that covered many conflicts.

You had a lot of geo-political rivalries that overlaped the religious conflicts. Some of the religious conflicts while incredibly bitter did not alway unfold as a war.