later sicilians

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:41 am

I'm thinking about a later sicilian army for my new army in 2011. Here are a couple of lists I'm contemplating. All comments welcomed.

4xTC
3x6 LF, Unprot, Ave, Drilled Bow (Saracen archers)
1x6 LF, Unprot, Poor, Undrilled Crossbow (communal crossbow)
1x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Jav, Lt Spear (Berbers)
2x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
2x4 LH, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
3x8 HF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Def Sp (Feudal spearmen...)
1x4 Cv, Arm, Ave, Drilled, Lance, Sw (Saracens)
2x4 Kn, Hv Arm, Sup, Undrilled, Lance, Sw

or

4xTC
3x6 LF, Unprot, Ave, Drilled, Bow (Saracen archers)
1x6 LF, Unprot, Poor, Undrilled, Crossbow (communcal crossbow)
1x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Jav, Lt Spear (Berbers)
2x4 LH, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
2x4 LH, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Bow (Saracens)
1x8 MF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Lt Sp, Swordsmen (Greeks)
1x8 MF, Arm, Ave, Undrilled, Lt Sp, Swordsmen (Saracens)
1x6 MF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Crossbow (Feudal Crossbowmen)
1x4 Cv, Arm, Ave, Drilled, Lance, Sw (Saracens)
2x4 Kn, Hv Arm, Sup, Undrilled, Lance, Sw

Thanks,
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(Edited the mistyped 6lh to 4lh)

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:51 am

As a basic best practice change the sixes of LH to fours.

bertalucci · Post by **bertalucci** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:07 am

Too many lights and too little punch for my liking.

If your 2 units of knights fail you its game over!

frederic · Post by **frederic** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:52 am

I prefer the first list but with LH in BGs of 4.
Too much MF in the second list for a medieval army.

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:37 am

philqw78 wrote:As a basic best practice change the sixes of LH to fours.

do'h. That was a mistype - all the light horse are actually in 4s. (I wonder how many points this would be if those were 6s?)

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:44 pm

For me it would be the second list of the two but you are going to have to be quite careful with your lights.

This is the kind of army that my Early/Middle Hungarian list is designed to chew up and spit out with hopefully not much effort.

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:54 pm

hammy wrote:For me it would be the second list of the two but you are going to have to be quite careful with your lights.

This is the kind of army that my Early/Middle Hungarian list is designed to chew up and spit out with hopefully not much effort.

Heh. Early Hungarians is another list I'm toying with....

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:03 pm

Interesting that Hammy and Frederic hold opposite opinions.

Hammy, how is your Hungarian army designed? How would you design the Sicilians?

I'm looking at a (pre-Aragonese) Sicilian list with 3-4 BG of undrilled superior and average knights supported by drilled lancer cavalry and HF/MF, with hardly any skirmishers. Any comment on that idea?

I'm also curious about what Nik thinks needs changing in the book.

Nik, Hands-off

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:24 pm

Arse - accidentally edited Lawrences post rather than quoting it doh!

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:41 am

nikgaukroger wrote:Arse - accidentally edited Lawrences post rather than quoting it doh!

Don't worry, I've edited it back to roughly what it was originally.

christophe · Post by **christophe** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:36 am

my list

4 TC
2bg4, Feudal Knights,
3bg6, Saracens archers light foot,
1bg4, Imperial ministreriales,
2bg4, light horse, bow, unprotect,
1bg4, light horse, javelins, protect,
1bg8, mercenary spearmen, armoured
1bg8, saracens close fighters, armoured, drilled
1bg8, communal crossbowmen light foot

798 pts, 12 bgs