fatimid army under construction

[domblas]

having bought legio heroia figurines, other manufactureres and little bigmen transfer for flags and VVV for shields. i am building an exciting arab fatimid army.
first Bg: Abd al shira
comment and critics are welcome


problem with the very nice transfer from little big men is that: more then half of them are writen in reverse sens. As their transfer have one sticky side, u can't reverse it to correct!

[marco]

bonne continuation à toi
les débuts sont prometteurs

on se verra à clichy

[hazelbark]

They look very neat and colorful. Good job.

Its also a good army. Hard to decide how to configure. But its mounted arm is its winning arm.

[domblas]

They look very neat and colorful. Good job.

Its also a good army. Hard to decide how to configure. But its mounted arm is its winning arm.

thats exactly my hesitation. I like colorfull arabs design but i suspect they myt have been less colorful in reality Soudanes people must have used natural dying . For the howto play it, i would be inspired by madaxman reports. Tempting Knights with infantry while trying to win on wings and flank the Knights!

edward. soon in Clichy but not with Fatimids

[BlackPrince]

[quote="domblas"]having bought legio heroia figurines, other manufactureres and little bigmen transfer for flags and VVV for shields. i am building an exciting arab fatimid army.
first Bg: Abd al shira
comment and critics are welcome


How do you go mixing the Legio Heroia figures with other brands? The Legio Heroia are large figures and look funny next some Old Glory figures I have so I have not tried mixing them with other brands yet.

[hazelbark]

They look very neat and colorful. Good job.

Its also a good army. Hard to decide how to configure. But its mounted arm is its winning arm.

thats exactly my hesitation. I like colorfull arabs design but i suspect they myt have been less colorful in reality Soudanes people must have used natural dying . For the howto play it, i would be inspired by madaxman reports. Tempting Knights with infantry while trying to win on wings and flank the Knights!

edward. soon in Clichy but not with Fatimids

I've been doing a lot of reading on the middle east region and its actually pretty clear there was a lot more "color" in things pre-modern era than we might think based on western/hollywood attempts to label the mideast as a bunch of unsophisticated types in rags. Its not all pale linens. They clearly had lots of dyes and ability to make strong colors. Now the question is how much of that got down to the masses of troops. But I think there is strong evidence that the middle and elites would be colorful. So I think paint up colorful, because there is a good case in history for that.

[nikgaukroger]

From Brendan Moyles site:-

Colours were largely dictated by the materials and dyes that were available in this era. The most plentiful dyes were indigo (blue), saffron (yellow) and cochineal (red). For instance, the Hamadan region of the Jibal was famous as a source of saffron, indigo was grown in plantations in Syria, and the kirmuz-worm (cochineal beetle) was harvested in Azerbayjan. For these reasons, reds, blues and yellows often appear in contemporary accounts of banners, clothes and heraldry.

Other colours include black, white, green and purple. Both green and purple can be produced by mixing the dyes above. Black appears as a banner colour in Abbasid armies, as well as normal attire in Transoxania. The latter case may be a natural outcome of undied dark felts being used for clothing. A 'blue and white' striped cloth was a famous product of Khurasan. Some Fatamid depictions show evidence of pink.

Natural colours can also be presumed. Undyed cotton and various earth-tone browns and greens survive in contemporary depictions. Brown is used to colour Byzantine leather-scale armour in contemporary art.

Slave troops would be (initially) outfitted by their owner, so their origin is pretty irrelevant, and any troops in standing units would be equipped from where they were stationed, again more or less regardless of origin - of course if they had cash in their paws they may well have had some say in colours, etc.

[hazelbark]

Thanks Nik excellent excerpt. As Brendan points out lots of colors available. You can actually trace a lot of this further back to biblical era as well.

[domblas]

Thanks Nik excellent excerpt. As Brendan points out lots of colors available. You can actually trace a lot of this further back to biblical era as well.

thak u for ur comment, i will paint it colorfull!!!

i think the other fig are donnington. Those with the largest shield for exemple. They mix well exept maybe the width of the lead base wich is thin for legio and thick for donington.
edward

[domblas]

slowly progressing : armenians bowmen and a general,

[domblas]

having bought legio heroia figurines, other manufactureres and little bigmen transfer for flags and VVV for shields. i am building an exciting arab fatimid army.
first Bg: Abd al shira
comment and critics are welcome


How do you go mixing the Legio Heroia figures with other brands? The Legio Heroia are large figures and look funny next some Old Glory figures I have so I have not tried mixing them with other brands yet.

Legio heroica mixed with donnington arabs. I had purchased some Old glory fatimids but decided not to mix it. They are too small.
edward

[domblas]

the fatimids spearmens and their general....
progressing nicely but slowly....

[nosher]

These look absolutely fabulous. They make my 100YW efforts in 10mm look shabby!

[will05]

I think that looking to history is important, though a lot of sources can be questionable depending on your viewpoint and were the material comes from, and conflicting evidence, etc. I have a Macedonian army, and when asking for input on colours and design, the debate could get quite heated. Somebody once said that you can always say to anyone who disagrees with your ideas on your army....were you there....and for ancient and medieval the answer is likely to be ....No.....!

So I like to do my reading and asking around and then do whatever fits best for me .......and I like colour so I use a lot of it.
I have thought many times that I should be toning down for more realism, but I am not sure that is true and I think that the minis have more definition and stand out more with brighter colours.

Will

[domblas]

I think that looking to history is important, though a lot of sources can be questionable depending on your viewpoint and were the material comes from, and conflicting evidence, etc. I have a Macedonian army, and when asking for input on colours and design, the debate could get quite heated. Somebody once said that you can always say to anyone who disagrees with your ideas on your army....were you there....and for ancient and medieval the answer is likely to be ....No.....!

So I like to do my reading and asking around and then do whatever fits best for me .......and I like colour so I use a lot of it.
I have thought many times that I should be toning down for more realism, but I am not sure that is true and I think that the minis have more definition and stand out more with brighter colours.

Will

you'r right! i also questioned myself wether to paint it colorfull or not. I red argues saying that brownish/greyish/palish colors for arabs are more a Hollywood given idea than reality. Even looking at actual arabs, i cant find any decisive answer. Some dress like that, but some like very colorfull dresses. So i decided to paint it colorfull, coz i like safran/red/purple/green/blue. I just finished the LH Bedouin lancers which i tried to paint soberly. Pict will be posted as soon as bases are drybrushed.
Next BG will be 2 BG of cav lancer

[domblas]

as iv said the LH Lancers bedouins

[Jilu]

thanks for these great pictures

hey where did you get the ideas for the shields

i never know how to paint those..

[david53]

Nice painting they look very very good?

[domblas]

thanks for these great pictures

hey where did you get the ideas for the shields

i never know how to paint those..

legio heroica website

[Jilu]

thanks for these great pictures

hey where did you get the ideas for the shields

i never know how to paint those..

legio heroica website

thank you