when is moving not moving

[papsterdino]

in dementia land a unit of light foot was burst through by some angry spanish types{which were quite succsessfull as it happens} and recoiled the minimum and dropped a level is this then considered their movement as it says that any troops who moved in the charge phase dont then move in the movement phase???? any ideas gents

[hazelbark]

the FAQ says
ix) TROOPS THAT MOVED IN THE IMPACT PHASE
Can troops move in the manoeuvre phase if they charged, pursued or evaded (unlikely but possible) in the
impact phase?
No
What constitutes a move for this purpose?
Any move by the battle group. This includes turning or placing/picking up portable defences, but not reforming,
conforming to enemy, or feeding more bases into an existing melee.[/b]

[hazelbark]

I would say on the basis of the FAQ the intent is they did not mvoe and therefore could.

But I can see the literalist as well.

[Jilu]

I would say on the basis of the FAQ the intent is they did not mvoe and therefore could.

But I can see the literalist as well.

They indeed didnot moveduring the impact phase.
The charges take up the space between them and the target of the charge.
The LF are placed behind the chargers for ease of play purpose.
remember the depth of the bases and the distances between the LF and the target bases are a virtual representation of the 'real' distance on a 'real' battlefield.
This is not an old school rule..

[philqw78]

Can troops move in the manoeuvre phase if they charged, pursued or evaded (unlikely but possible) in the
impact phase?
No
What constitutes a move for this purpose?
Any move by the battle group. This includes turning or placing/picking up portable defences, but not reforming,
conforming to enemy, or feeding more bases into an existing melee.[/b]

Strange since none of the examples in red, except turning by those hit in flank or rear, can be done in the impact phase

[list_lurker]

Hi Dino,

as there is no prescribed defininition of what a move is in the rules, then I think we do have to take a literal view. The BG did move (even as a reaction to another event)... so I would argue for no.

Justifying (to myself ) sounds about right... if you have been burst through by an an impetuos mob then you probably temporary distrupted to consider subsequent miltary 'action'

The oft cited example of the French knights bursting through the Genoese X-bow men at Crecy, I don't remember the x-bowmen turning 90, and marching off!

ta


Simon

[petedalby]

The rules are very clear on Page 70 - Only BGs that are broken, already in close combat or that charged in the impact phase are prohibited from moving.

The FAQs amplify this - but there is no suggestion at all that a BG that is burst through by shock troops charging may not move freely in the movement phase.

Simon makes a very valid point - but one that is not covered by the rules or the FAQs.

[list_lurker]

The rules are very clear on Page 70 - Only BGs that are broken, already in close combat or that charged in the impact phase are prohibited from moving.

It would be better if this phrasing also said 'moving in the impact phrase' - we would least have consistency

Its contrary. If a BG was burst through but cleared, then i can't see which clause to stop it from moving. But if has to recoil 1mm then there is an argument for it not moving. Not very elegant.

I think the p70 example is the deal clincher as it defining the constaints of the manoeuvre phase.

Changed my mind – well done Pete

[petedalby]

Changed my mind – well done Pete

My pleasure Simon - but your example is still a good one. I guess the authors preferred to keep things simple.

[hazelbark]

Strange since none of the examples in red, except turning by those hit in flank or rear, can be done in the impact phase

I quote 'em don't write 'em

[papsterdino]

ta for that debate boys p70 its is then.......Dino