Modelling and playing in 28mm?2

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:53 am

I just ordered my first 28mm army (gripping beast russians).

How are people handling 28mm modelling. It looks like there is no way contempporary 28s are going to fit on 60mm frontage? Are the bulk of armies used based for WAB or some other 20mm/fig frontage base? If so how are they being adapted for fog play.

Anthony

viking123 · Post by **viking123** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:29 am

I have to say that I am fitting my 25mm figures to FOG size bases whether they are Gripping beast, Foundary or Vendel.
It is tight but it can be done.

The main problem areas are cataphracts and heavy infantry when there are four to the base, Some people fit three figures rather than four. As long as they are on the correct depth of base and you tell your opponent what they represents there is usually no problem.

Bob

Steve63 · Post by **Steve63** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:36 pm

I'm currently painting the starter Mid-Republican Romans from RaF in 28mm using Crusader figures.
The ones I’ve finished aren’t based yet because modern 28’s don’t work with this archaic basing system. I already have a 28mm Artisan Moor and Berber army with the infantry fudge based for FoG and the cavalry based for WAB, as you can imagine this is a long way from ideal and they don’t get out much.

Personally I think the standard base size should have been increased 80mm, this would have given enough room to properly base the figures, modern 28,s are more or less double the size of 15’s and would have been more or less compatible with WAB. Then the standard 28mm army size reduced to 600pts.

I also think that FoG missed a fantastic opportunity to become the dominant force in 28mm ancient wargaming, WAB has been in turmoil for the past 5 or 6 years but it’s back now so all the players who are now getting back into WAB could have, should have, would have been playing FoG, but for an archaic basing system to try keep a few old grognards happy at the potential cost of so much new blood.

Any how, I’ve solved my basing conundrum, I basing my 28’s for WAB the game I’ll be playing with them, and playing FoG as a 15mm game.

Simples

mbsparta · Post by **mbsparta** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:04 am

I have about a dozen 28mm FoG based armies. For the most part you can fit 4 HF on the 60x20 bases. There real problem is with the 20mm depth rather than the 60mm frontage. If you take the time to rank up the models you can make 60x20 work ... as long as you can remember what stand goes with what and in what order. All in all it is a hassle. The only change I think we need for FoG 2nd edition is to rethink the basing sizes. While I realize that no one want to rebase hundreds (or thousands) of models, this is the only real answer. I suggest: 80x30 for HF; 80x40 for MF/LF and 80x50 for cavalry. Use the FoG number of figures per base as given in the rules.

At some point in time the hobby needs to address this. I hope the FoG team is willing to take this monster on.

Mike Bruck

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:17 am

viking123 wrote:I have to say that I am fitting my 25mm figures to FOG size bases whether they are Gripping beast, Foundary or Vendel.
It is tight but it can be done.

The main problem areas are cataphracts and heavy infantry when there are four to the base, Some people fit three figures rather than four. As long as they are on the correct depth of base and you tell your opponent what they represents there is usually no problem.

Bob

3 to a base for catafracts is even one of the options in the rules

Also page 127 has a bit saying less figures are OK and larger base depths are OK if the figures won't fit - so basically you have a lot of flexibility, only frontages really matter (more or less).

paulburton · Post by **paulburton** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:30 pm

My Gripping Beast Romano Brits are 3 to a 60 mm base (a mix of 3s and individuals as they are for both WAB and FoG/DBX)

Cavalry are on 25x50 mm and I have some steel bases 60x30 and 60x40mm for basing up as FoG elements for Skirmishers, Medium Foot and cavalry (2 for LF and Cav/Kn, 1 for LH). My Skirmishing foot are on 25 x 25 mm bases. The figures look fine and they stretch a bit further when buying your army.

Next army I will probably put the cavalry on 30x60 mm bases. The reason for not changing the 60mm wide base is compatibility with WRG 7th and DBM -

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:51 pm

I'm 28mm exclusively.

Two pieces of advice on this. For some figures fewer bases on the stand look fine. A friend of mine has Old Glory Ottoman Turks and they were 2 mounted/stand for sipahis in DBR. They look fine and there is little opportunity for confusion. The figs are kind of bulky. I have a bunch of close order foot that fit tightly but fine on FoG standard bases at 4 per.

For cav and light horse I sometimes use a 45mm deep base as it protects the horse a little better. There have been no issues with this in any games since we started playing. I mounted some on 60mm deep bases and the bases just looked too deep.

I would like to be using 80mm wide bases and playing on a 12x8 table, but I am probably alone in this.

mbsparta · Post by **mbsparta** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:31 am

80 wide is the way to go.

Mike

chubooga · Post by **chubooga** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:27 pm

80mm frontage for me....

though TBH, with some 'common sense' on all sides then I dont see it as a major issue if players have differently based armies... a little explanation here and theres and all should be ok.....

jon

ShrubMiK · Post by **ShrubMiK** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:08 pm

And then in another 20 years people will be complaining they can't fit 4 of their supposedly 30mm HF figures (but which are actually more like 34mm) on the 80mm wide bases.

Legionbuilder · Post by **Legionbuilder** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:30 am

From what I have seen this is way more of a problem with the 28mm figs than the 15mm figs. If you are worried -- wait to base yor figs until you can go to a nice FOG tourney at one of the conventions - there are usually 25/28mm guys there to help. My eperience tells me that to add some depth is okay but stay in the width stated in the rules or you might run into a problem in a game.

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:34 am

I am now onto my third battlegroup of cav/knights and have settled on teh following:

The GB mounted cannot be based 3 figs to a 60mm rontage without looking silly.
They are way too long to be based on a 40mm depth base (moving in column would be a nightmare).

I have based each singly on a 25mm by 50mm magnetised base and will use these on a 60 * 50mm metal stand for Fog Play.

For light horse they will be on with one fig on a 60*50 base so they are different to the cav/knights and so I can base them side on of galloping to rear of 45 degrees. they will look much more like a 'swishy' group of turcomans that they are.

This also means 200 UK pounds gives me enough metal for 900 points or so of quality 28mm troops.

it also means I can use them or sell them for WAB play later if I want.