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Ming Troop Types

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The Ming were inventive and the unusual elements of the army are one of the attractions.

Will any of the following troop types be considered for inclusion?

Gan Si Dui (dare-to-die men) 0-4 bases in one BG of Superior or Average Armoured Medium Foot - Bombs, Impact Foot, Swordsmen

Gan Si Dui (known as dare-to-die men) were shock troops picked, often ad hoc, for dangerous assignments, equipped with a mix of weapons including fire-lances, firearms, halberds, swords and other weapons. Bombs are very short range but offer a good POA across the board. These units could be used to attempt to breach an enemy line or defense. Such a unit was used by General Li Rusong in the Imjin War to burn a grain warehouse upon which the besieged enemy was relying.
Note: I look at these as highlanders with high explosives

The Koreans were even more ingenious regarding bombs and bomb throwing than the Ming.


QI JIGUANG's Campaigns (Ch'i Chi-kuang)(served 1544-1585):

>Qi Jiguang's "firearms chariots" from 1568-158?: 6*-8 Average Battle Wagons with Light Artillery and Heavy Weapon at 23 pts in BG of 2-4. *Minimum if used, since they were intended to form a laager with portable defences between the wagons.

>Screens and other portable barriers adjoining wagons: Up to 2 portable defences per wagon.
May purchase for one foot BG per BG of battle wagons and only deployed by BGs in contact with them. Question whether use of Qi's army and battle wagons survives him for a number of years.


Three Feudatories only: (post 1644)
Portuguese mercenaries: 0-4 Average, Unarmoured Medium Foot - Salvo @ 7 pts
Rated as Salvo for reliance upon an initial volley and fierce onset.
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Re: Ming Troop Types

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MikeK wrote:The Ming were inventive and the unusual elements of the army are one of the attractions.

Will any of the following troop types be considered for inclusion?

Gan Si Dui (dare-to-die men) 0-4 bases in one BG of Superior or Average Armoured Medium Foot - Bombs, Impact Foot, Swordsmen

Gan Si Dui (known as dare-to-die men) were shock troops picked, often ad hoc, for dangerous assignments, equipped with a mix of weapons including fire-lances, firearms, halberds, swords and other weapons. Bombs are very short range but offer a good POA across the board. These units could be used to attempt to breach an enemy line or defense. Such a unit was used by General Li Rusong in the Imjin War to burn a grain warehouse upon which the besieged enemy was relying.
Note: I look at these as highlanders with high explosives

The Koreans were even more ingenious regarding bombs and bomb throwing than the Ming.

I'd be tempted to see the gunpowder weapons of these sorts of troops as being part of Impact Foot rather than a ranged weapon.

QI JIGUANG's Campaigns (Ch'i Chi-kuang)(served 1544-1585):

>Qi Jiguang's "firearms chariots" from 1568-158?: 6*-8 Average Battle Wagons with Light Artillery and Heavy Weapon at 23 pts in BG of 2-4. *Minimum if used, since they were intended to form a laager with portable defences between the wagons.

>Screens and other portable barriers adjoining wagons: Up to 2 portable defences per wagon.
May purchase for one foot BG per BG of battle wagons and only deployed by BGs in contact with them. Question whether use of Qi's army and battle wagons survives him for a number of years.

No reason why these cannot be in the list in some format. I am tempted to have Qi's troops fighting the Wokou as a special campaign though.

Three Feudatories only: (post 1644)
Portuguese mercenaries: 0-4 Average, Unarmoured Medium Foot - Salvo @ 7 pts
Rated as Salvo for reliance upon an initial volley and fierce onset.
Possibly for colour - after all there were only a couple of hundred of them which is a small part of a Chinese army :o
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Re: Ming Troop Types

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nikgaukroger wrote:
QI JIGUANG's Campaigns (Ch'i Chi-kuang)(served 1544-1585):

>Qi Jiguang's "firearms chariots" from 1568-158?: 6*-8 Average Battle Wagons with Light Artillery and Heavy Weapon at 23 pts in BG of 2-4. *Minimum if used, since they were intended to form a laager with portable defences between the wagons.

>Screens and other portable barriers adjoining wagons: Up to 2 portable defences per wagon.
May purchase for one foot BG per BG of battle wagons and only deployed by BGs in contact with them. Question whether use of Qi's army and battle wagons survives him for a number of years.

No reason why these cannot be in the list in some format. I am tempted to have Qi's troops fighting the Wokou as a special campaign though.
Having the initial Wo-k'ou campaigns as special campaigns makes sense, but the evolution of those troops into a standard type centered around Zhejiang but used in Korea means the main list needs to provide for this type to be available.
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