Another argument between me and Mr Ruddock

[hammy]

In our game the other week I had two BGs that were exactly lined up but one was just under 2MU infront of the other.

Dave charged me at an angle and his BG stepped forwards into contact with both my BGs so:



Now I argued that Dave's troops conformed square and ended up stepped forwards and in contact with both my BG.

Dave argued that this was not a legal move as the resulting formation was not a legal one.

When I countered that this would mean that as according to him a stepped forwards formation is not legal it could never expand. Dave then claimed that stepped forwards BGs could expand because they do that as if they had conformed.

The long and short of it is that he and I dissagree totally on this one. What are other peoples thoughts?

[philqw78]

I think they should conform square, only because I can't decide which of you to disagree with.

Anyway Dave would have been better charging at a different angle so that he did not end up overlapped on both sides. If he had hit the left lt blue base and stepped into dark blue the internal overlap would have been unusable. And he would then not conform if that was his aim for some strange reason

[madcam2us]

Page 70:
- Conforming means lining up EACH base in full front edge to front edge contact with an enemy base, OR conforming to an overlap position.
- BGs must end its confrom move in a normal formation, EXCEPT that each file steps forward to line up with the nearest file already in contact with the enemy.

as such I see that Dave would have been forced to line up one - two element file on each of your BGs since his bases still would have remained in edge-edge contact.
I think he would have only then been able to expand on the right side one base.

Don't see this as overly an issue. cut and dry IMO.

Madcam.

[DavidT]

The Rules state in the last bullet on P70 (extending onto P71) that the BG must end its conform move in a normal formation, except that each file steps forward to line up with the nearest file already in contact with the enemy. This implies Hammy is right. The second diagram on P72 shows a BG of cavalry conforming to the legionaries with the cavalry stepped forward. This confirms Hamy's interpretation.

[footslogger]

This seems pretty easy when reviewing the conforming rules. I don't see how Dave could really disagree.

[nikgaukroger]

The Hamster is right in this case - as is Phil, Dave screwed up

[petedalby]

I don't see how Dave could really disagree.

I guess you've never met him then?

I agree with Hammy - hard to imagine how it could be anything else.

[footslogger]

I don't see how Dave could really disagree.

I guess you've never met him then?

That is correct.

[hazelbark]

I don't see how Dave could really disagree.

I guess you've never met him then?

That is correct.

You lucky B******

[timmy1]

In the 5 minutes and 30 seconds that I have met Dave he was reason personified - then he went away to play wargames so...

[Jilu]

ok guy can we have a clear answer?

So who conforms? the charger or the charged?

[hammy]

ok guy can we have a clear answer?

So who conforms? the charger or the charged?

The player who's move it is conforms. It is possible to be the charger in your opponents move (if you were pursuing and hit another target for example)

It would seem that from what has been said here that almost everyone agrees with me and that the single BG in the centre conforms and ends up stepped forwards in contact with both enemy BGs. Or put another way Dave is wrong

[nikgaukroger]

Or put another way Dave is wrong

True on a number of levels

[Jilu]

Or put another way Dave is wrong

True on a number of levels

ok and what if they cannot conform without breaking contact between the bases?

[philqw78]

If they cannot conform without breaking up they do not conform

[Mehrunes]

Then they cannot conform, but fight as if they did.

[Jilu]

Then they cannot conform, but fight as if they did.

ok thank you!

[dave_r]

Just got back from being away through the week.

I am fairly surprised at the number of views saying I am wrong.

If we look at page 71 then it states

"The bg must end its conform move in a normal formation (see The Basics Section), except that each file steps forward to line up with the nearest file already in contact with the enemy. This may result in additional enemy bases being contacted"

Clearly in this instance then if my BG were to conform then it would not be a normal formation (as described in the basics section) and I can't step forward to line up with the nearest file already in contact. Therefore with the RAW it is an illegal conform.

It actually makes the situation easier if you were to have several base losses as that could get quite messy. I fail to understand the morbid fascination of fighting with your full front edge in contact with a full enemy front edge ala DBM.

[peterrjohnston]

Clearly in this instance then if my BG were to conform then it would not be a normal formation (as described in the basics section) and I can't step forward to line up with the nearest file already in contact. Therefore with the RAW it is an illegal conform.

A compulsory move, which this is, can leave a battle group out of rectangular formation. See the basics section, p23, point 3. This is still a normal formation.

[footslogger]

Ah, this makes me think about it a little differently. I think you're saying (Dave) that the bases shouldn't move relative to each other as you do the conform and thus you end in an illegal formation. To conform your move would be that your rightmost base is on the base it is contacting with your leftmost base a little bit ahead but not contacting the base it is currently in contact with and this leaves your group in an illegal formation. Is that what you are saying?