Serbians for Ottomans?

Robert241167 · Post by **Robert241167** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:42 pm

Hi guys

For all you Ottoman players out there. Would you prefer to run your Ottomans with or without the Serbian ally knights and the cost of their own ally general?

So far I am unsure if they are worth the points in my army.

Rob

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:26 pm

Robert241167 wrote:Hi guys

For all you Ottoman players out there. Would you prefer to run your Ottomans with or without the Serbian ally knights and the cost of their own ally general?

So far I am unsure if they are worth the points in my army.

Rob

Hi Rob,
in my opinion in any case (open tournament or themed tournament) Serbian Kn's can help you in different ways:
- support MF jannissery
- using as reserve
- supporting Cv.
Generally speaking you can have 14 BG's with 3 sub-commanders plus an ally sub-commander.
Someone like IC for having 4 for initiative and so deploying MF in the ideal best position. I'm used to have 4 TC (deploying MF with Serbian Kn's in the last quarter) because I prefer to move first.
Sergio

MatthewP · Post by **MatthewP** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:10 pm

Definately take the knights. They keep your opponent honest and restrict his options.

david53 · Post by **david53** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:11 pm

MatthewP wrote:Definately take the knights. They keep your opponent honest and restrict his options.

All depends on how many Bgs only one and it could be a target more and you lose the shooting ability of the Turks? IMO I would say not to, with the Turks you get good troops that you don't need to dilute with allies IMO.

kevinj · Post by **kevinj** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:55 pm

I've only ever used them without, but I'm definitely going to try them with the Serbians next time.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:32 pm

You know my answer Rob - I'd never leave home without them.

sdaddino · Post by **sdaddino** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:59 pm

use serbian night...they can help you to win a match
I don't think without serbian the army is very strenght

benos · Post by **benos** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:51 pm

not used ottomans , but syrian city states are so much better with the crusader allies, so i would infer the same is likely to be true for ottomans (though ottomans will find it easier to manage without than the syrians would)

Ben

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:18 am

petedalby wrote:You know my answer Rob - I'd never leave home without them.

A large frontage of scary shit that becomes difficult to avoid due to good use of supporting troops, even if only 4 bases

davidandlynda · Post by **davidandlynda** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:12 am

If Pete Dalby says yes it must be right,for what its worth I'd take them as well
David

Robert241167 · Post by **Robert241167** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:30 am

Thanks for the comments guys.

I've just got back from Schiltron and tended to lose my knights in most games although they usually took someone down with them and as you all say do pose a threat the opponent cannot ignore.

My main downfall was only having 2 other generals after my allied general.

Rob

david53 · Post by **david53** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:55 am

It will be intersing to see were the 4 Ottomans armies came in Scotland the top three armies were
1. Catalans
2. Chriastian Nubian
3. Later Serbians

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:54 pm

My main downfall was only having 2 other generals after my allied general.

Live and learn.

I think I was on version 8 or 9 before I was happy with my list.

SirGarnet · Post by **SirGarnet** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:21 am

Ottomans are a good but not easy army. The knights complement the primarily shooty army.

In a non-scenario list, I try to take all 6 and keep them back initially as a threat in being to draw attention and pose a problem for the enemy. When they do choose to fight, a commander and rear support (Ottomans have ample superiors) make them resistant to reverses.

Of course, the better you are, the less need for Serbians.

Kemmler · Post by **Kemmler** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:44 am

Robert241167 wrote:Hi guys
For all you Ottoman players out there. Would you prefer to run your Ottomans with or without the Serbian ally knights and the cost of their own ally general?
So far I am unsure if they are worth the points in my army.
Rob

I dont like to play any serbians in Ottoman army.
Well, ok, i dont like to play allies at all...
In my opinion, knights r so much different from any other units in that army that one bg on its own cant make the difference. You cant play them on their own and r far expensive to be used just to give rear support or defend camp.
Beside the fact u lose the chance to field 4 ottoman commanders and, since the army usually plays stretched all over the table, u need to get as many commanders as u can

Points of view... my 2 cents

IanB3406 · Post by **IanB3406** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:40 pm

I can only comment on what it's like to play against the Ottomans.......usually I am thinking something like this.....

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I wonder if he has serb's?

I can handle the rest of the army, but what will I do about the Serb's?

Damn, while I was easily killing thoose serbs the rest of his army shot me to pieces and flank charged me.
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So, now I have an Ottoman army.......

benos · Post by **benos** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:08 am

ianb

Is that with or without serbians?

Actually in regards to ally commanders if you design the army well they are not that bad.
For example syrian city states army i use has a crusader ally with 6 crusader knights , 4 crusader crossbow and 4 spear. The l.ast 2 bgs sit by the camp having been deployed at the start. The commander stays with the knights the whole time. Then the other syrian commanders are used on syrian troops. It means amoung all the shooty cavalry and light horse there is a scary unit the opponent has to take notice of.
Ottomans get jannisaries as well but the same shows.

Ben

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:01 am

benos wrote:ianb

Is that with or without serbians?

Actually in regards to ally commanders if you design the army well they are not that bad.
For example syrian city states army i use has a crusader ally with 6 crusader knights , 4 crusader crossbow and 4 spear. The l.ast 2 bgs sit by the camp having been deployed at the start. The commander stays with the knights the whole time. Then the other syrian commanders are used on syrian troops. It means amoung all the shooty cavalry and light horse there is a scary unit the opponent has to take notice of.
Ottomans get jannisaries as well but the same shows.

Ben

Interesting Syrian army with Crusader ally.
But why 1 BG of 6 KN's (with 4 it's more flexible in manouvring and when you charge you have small risk in impacting 2 opponent BG'S)?
If you deploy the 2 other BG's of Crusader first, your opponent expects superior KN's. I guess it's better to deploy them in the 3rd quarter.

If you compare this army with Ottomans, in my opinion Ottomans (obviously with Serbians

) are more flexible in particularly regarding terrain because you have jannissery.
For example you can use them deployed close or separately supporting your LH's in the wings against opponet LH's.

In any case I'm going to test Syrian army with Crusader ally.

Sergio