incas

[benos]

ok, with all the time on the train, no studies for the moment and lots of FOG army books i've looked over a number of lists, the latest silly option

Incas
I didn't even go really silly in number of battlegroups but came up with this
IC
3 x TC
2 x 8 LF slingers (poor, unpro, drilled, sling )
6 x 6 lf slingers (poor, unpro, drilled, sling )
3 x 6 veteran spearmen (MF, superior, drilled, protected, light spear, swordsmen)
2 x 8 militia spearmen (mf average, protected, drilled, light spear, swordsmen)
1 x 6 inca guard (mf superior protected, drilled, heavy weapon)
1 x 4 anti guard (MF Superior, unprotected, drilled, bow swordsmen)
1 x 8 chanca warriors (Mf average, unprotected, undrilled, heavy weapon)
2 x 6 anti archers (Mf average, unprotected, undrilled, bow swordsmen)
1 x 6 la paz spearmen (mf poor, unprotected, undrilled, light spear )
1 x 6 Colla (lf poor, unprotected, undrilled, javelins, light spear)

20 battlegroups, 4 commanders including an inspired and i think all the possible superiors, does it have a chance?
is it overgeneralled, will anyone manage to paint that many slingers?

Ben

[paulburton]

Benos

My personal feeling is that even 1 general per 3 battle groups is not overgeneralled. Less than 1 per 4 BGs definitely feels undergeneralled once troops get stuck in.

In theme this looks pretty good (I have a load of 20mm Incas waiting in the queue - I like the play 'Royal Hunt of the Sun' though it is just out of period), Impact/Sword troops like Aztecs will give you problems, Aztecs look really good but weren't available in 20mm - I find Diaz even more interesting.

I would worry about the undrilled MF bows - in fact I would go for an entirely drilled army. They can't get out of the way of anything mildly dangerous and being unprotected leaves them vulnerable to LF missile troops. Take the Anti guards as MF though. Since nothing in the Theme is armoured the Heavy Weapons are a little redundant apart from the unprotected chanca who will get shot to pieces. In open competition armoured troops are likely to have other advantages to make them ineffective. My own preference is for the Canari offensive spears (including the guard).

[peterrjohnston]

My personal feeling is that even 1 general per 3 battle groups is not overgeneralled. Less than 1 per 4 BGs definitely feels undergeneralled once troops get stuck in.

I usually write a list by doing a rough draft of the BGs I'd like to have in, then going back and modifying it so that the structure and how it will move matches the generals (or vis-versa), even if it seems sub-optimum in BG choice. Having the freedom to moves generals around is useful. But generally, if you excuse the bad pun, moving them away from where they are supposed to be means things very often go pear-shaped where they are meant to be.

[tupiboy]

I seem to recall (no lists at work) that the number of poor slinger BGs cannots exceed the number of poor militia spearmen BGs.

[kevinj]

I seem to recall (no lists at work) that the number of poor slinger BGs cannots exceed the number of poor militia spearmen BGs.

Tupiboy is correct.

[benos]

just read that too.
Change the 6's to average drop the 8's and drop the chanca to 6 bases.
Still 18 bgs better quality and still a lot of generals.

Not sure this horde effect will work, but intersting nonetheless

Ben

[marty]

I consider the incas a pretty unattractive prospect, even compared to many of the other armies in blood and gold. The only thing they've got going for them is drilled manouverability. They dont have acces to the large numbers of superior troops allowed in many of the lists and cant become a truly impressive horde of crap because of the limits on poor troops in the list. They neither shoot nor fight particularly well. The list of potential opponents a protected light spear swordsmen is going to beat is very short indeed.

The various aztec style armies with impact foot and a free shooting capability are much more attractive as is Mayan (a potentially very interesting army). In terms of armies you can actually get figures for easily from this book Inca is pretty much the worst bet.

I actually have the figures for a (7th ed) Inca army but would need to buy a few more boys to field it under FOG. I consider the list so lacking in appeal that even this minimal outlay/effort is too much. I'm generally willing to use some pretty ordinary armies but even for me Inca is just too great a challenge. If your committment to the Inca is profound enough to overcome all these objections I doff my cap to your bravery!

Martin