this game takes too long to play

[darkmatter]

i have never played a game,that u need so much time for?u make 1 - 2 mistakes u pay for it for the rest of the game, with the new weather it slow it down again.i have to say i can not find it in myself, to play this game anymore,u should of put a on/off weather, guys its over kill with how slow this game is(oh look here is leaves on the tracks we not rail our armys)and why is staingrad just another city on the map? after all it was the battle in that city that help bring around a end to world war 2 (it was a turning point in the war)?

[afk_nero]

There is no denying that this game does take a very long time to play but considering that it is trying to encompase over 5 years of War in Europe across mutliple fronts with millions of men. This is a very difficult task.

Simplifying the game and speeding it up may improve playability decrease time but then I would also suggest that you would have to call this game a different name, make it ahistorical and scrap the attempt at trying to recreate a WW2 strategy game. The game isnt perfect but its trying to tackle a very complex scenario in the best possible way.

Your call for increasing speed is interesting as I have also read recently that there are calls to try to overcomplicate the game. Its difficult to please all people.

Command and conquer is most propably the type of game you are looking for - its a very good game with the emphasis on playability and doesnt try to go for the historical angle.

Have fun.

[rkr1958]

i have never played a game,that u need so much time for?u make 1 - 2 mistakes u pay for it for the rest of the game, with the new weather it slow it down again.i have to say i can find it in myself, to play this game anymore,u should of put a on/off weather, guys its over kill with how slow this game is(oh look here is leaves on the tracks we not rail our armys)and why is staingrad just another city on the map? after all it was the battle in that city that help bring around a end to world war 2 (it was a turning point in the war)?

Have you tried the fastplay scenarios in the standard game? It sounds like that might be your cup of tea.

[darkmatter]

so i should play on a smaller map,but the same problem!!u spent 1/3 of the game waiting to play,turn off the weather!?!?!? and other thing, do any of u know about staingrad why is ot not put into the game???and there no way germany could beat ussr in world war 2,so they traped the reds in pockets, cut off. i find trying to be smart in this game is a waste of time.the only thing to do is make a big army and wait for the summer then some attacks and then back to waiting (its twice i have to wrtie this down) too much waiting around for weather.it killing the game!!!!

[darkmatter]

[quote="afk_nero"]There is no denying that this game does take a very long time to play but considering that it is trying to encompase over 5 years of War in Europe across mutliple fronts with millions of men. This is a very difficult task.

Simplifying the game and speeding it up may improve playability decrease time but then I would also suggest that you would have to call this game a different name, make it ahistorical and scrap the attempt at trying to recreate a WW2 strategy game. The game isnt perfect but its trying to tackle a very complex scenario in the best possible way.

Your call for increasing speed is interesting as I have also read recently that there are calls to try to overcomplicate the game. Its difficult to please all people.

Command and conquer is most propably the type of game you are looking for - its a very good game with the emphasis on playability and doesnt try to go for the historical angle.

Have fun.[/quote]

as i get older i would like to play something else!!!!!!! im not asking to kill the game turn off the weather so it will speed it up and look at other areas to add to it, like staingrad(still no talk about that little part of world war 2)

[Clark]

as i get older i would like to play something else!!!!!!! im not asking to kill the game turn off the weather so it will speed it up and look at other areas to add to it, like staingrad(still no talk about that little part of world war 2)

Well, in the historical World War II, Stalingrad was just a large city until the Germans managed to reach it and the Soviets managed to surround the German army there. It might not play out that way in the game, though, because the Germans might not manage to get there, or might get there with such overwhelming force that the Russians withdraw quickly. That's why it's a game, and not a re-enactment.

[rkr1958]

so i should play on a smaller map,but the same problem!!u spent 1/3 of the game waiting to play,turn off the weather!?!?!? and other thing, do any of u know about staingrad why is ot not put into the game???and there no way germany could beat ussr in world war 2,so they traped the reds in pockets, cut off. i find trying to be smart in this game is a waste of time.the only thing to do is make a big army and wait for the summer then some attacks and then back to waiting (its twice i have to wrtie this down) too much waiting around for weather.it killing the game!!!!

Which version are you talking about? The GS expansion? The standard (vanilla) game? If you're talking about the weather in GS expansion then play the standard game. The only weather effects in the standard game is the efficiency hit that the axis troops in Russia take one turn each year.

In terms of adding a fort in Stalingrad then you can do that using the map editor. See viewtopic.php?p=45439#45439

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Grand Strategy is actually meant for players who have played the vanilla (standard) game many times and want a bigger challenge. New players to CeaW should probably start with the vanilla or fast game and play there. In neither of these games you have weather except in Russia. You don't even have to worry about looking at transport and invasion capabilities. Just invade with al the units you want and have fun.

So I have a feeling you're not the typical target player for the GS expansion. Maybe you will eventually like it after playing the vanilla game quite a bit.

I also have to comment your claim that bad weather means you can't do much. The Russians are only impacted movement wise by bad weather and can attack normally while the Germans struggle with less efficiency. This happened in the rear war too. I often make some attacks during bad weather with the Allies later in the war to soften up the Germans etc. If you read the history books you see that the Allies didn't actually storm the Germans when the weather was winter or mud. Allied soldiers were stuck in trenches in Italy for many months partly due to bad weather and partly to bad terrain. They halted their offensive to cross the Rhine in late fall 1944 and was surprised by a German winter offensive (Battle of the Bulge).

Some Axis players attack Holland and Belgium during the winter of 1939 to get to Paris earlier. So you can decide what you do in bad weather.

It's even possible in general.txt to set the bad weather possibility for each month to 0 and not have bad weather at all except severe winter in Russia.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Stalingrad was actually a normal Russian city. There were no magical force fields installed on the east bank of the Volga to prevent the Germans from taking Stalingrad. One reason the Germans struggled with Stalingrad was because they bombarded the crap out of the city making it into a ruin city. But the most important reason was because the Russians decided to DEFEND the city at any cost. Since the Germans were unable to get to the east bank of the Volga it meant the Russians could reinforce Stalingrad even night by sending fresh units across the Volga into the city.

But despite this the Germans actually captured more than 90% of Stalingrad. One important reason the city never fell completely was because the Russians launched their major offensive (Operation Uranus) in November 1942 to encircle the German 6th Army. It was this attack that eventually saved Stalingrad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus

If the Germans had decided to go straight for Stalingrad in the Summer if 1942 instead of wasting precious time taking Voronezh then nobody would have talked about Stalingrad as the turning point of WW2. The Germans would have taken the city before the Russian defenses had been setup there.

We're playing a game and not watching a movie about the historical battles of WW2. YOU decide in GS where to attack and how. You can change history and that's one reason many people enjoy playing it.

Look here for info about Volgograd (Stalingrad before):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volgograd

[darkmatter]

ok happy new year good luck with the mud guys enjoy playing the new mod

p.s. im playing total war just as big with no mud and much more action on the battle field and economic action too.

[IainMcNeil]

You should definitley try the fast play scenarios if you prefer a quicker game. They take about 1/4 of the time!

[JyriErik]

For what it covers, this game is quite fast to play. If you're used to FPS's and twitch games, then it's slow. Compared to thinking games, it's fast. Look at how long a good game of chess can take. Compared to board games like War in Europe (division level WW II game w/production & politics) CEAW positively flies by.

Jyri

i have never played a game,that u need so much time for?u make 1 - 2 mistakes u pay for it for the rest of the game, with the new weather it slow it down again.i have to say i can not find it in myself, to play this game anymore,u should of put a on/off weather, guys its over kill with how slow this game is(oh look here is leaves on the tracks we not rail our armys)and why is staingrad just another city on the map? after all it was the battle in that city that help bring around a end to world war 2 (it was a turning point in the war)?

[OxfordGuy3]

I couldn't disagree more with the original poster, I actually stopped playing the original game because the lack of weather rules (and transport/landing restrictions) made it completely unrealistic. I think the new weather restrictions and other features int he GS expansion are fantastic and have made me want to play the game again.

[esde56]

I must agree that a full game of CEAW-GS ... does not take overly long. If playing solo (although PBEM is far, far better), you can rattle through a game in a similar amount of hours to most commercial games (of whatever genre) but there will be exceptions at both ends of the spectrum. If playing PBEM, it is really down to how many email/GTs you exchange with your friend/opponent (delete as appropriate!). I have recently completed a full PBEM game which only ended on the final GT of May '45, and we both thought that in comparison to some other PBEMable titles, it rolled along very quickly indeed.

The weather system is a valuable and desirable addition, although perhaps the weather in the Med is too placid!

Kind regards.

Stephen