Best value units...

[azrael86]

6 LF Poor Sling for 12 pts?

[hammy]

It rather depends on what you want to do with said unit

I quite fancy elite unprotected drilled MF heavy weapons in BGs of 2 they sound quite fun and would only be 18 points which is pretty good not that anyone has them so the issue is moot.

I quite like protected LH with javelin light spear. At 8 points a base they are cheap(ish) but have some very handy POAs

[dave_r]

4 LF Poor Sling - 8 pts

[rbodleyscott]

4 LF Poor Sling - 8 pts

4 x TC
82 BGs of 4 Poor sling

Now there is a super army

(Note that the Inca army list is specifically worded to prevent them from having limitless numbers of Poor slings)

[azrael86]

Unfortunately Inca also aren't allowed slingers in 4's!

As written the lists also appear to be inconsistent:

Max poor militia spear is 56, giving a maximum number of 9 bg's, using the smallest size of 6. This however means a maximum of 9 bg's of sling, using the largest bg size (8) that gives only 72, but the list says you can have 80! Where do you get the other 8 from?

[rbodleyscott]

Inca also aren't allowed slingers in 4's!

I wonder why.

[marty]

I noticed this limit on the Incas. They really needed another handicap!

Martin

[hammy]

Unfortunately Inca also aren't allowed slingers in 4's!

As written the lists also appear to be inconsistent:

Max poor militia spear is 56, giving a maximum number of 9 bg's, using the smallest size of 6. This however means a maximum of 9 bg's of sling, using the largest bg size (8) that gives only 72, but the list says you can have 80! Where do you get the other 8 from?

The way I read that list you could always have average slingers. There is only a limit on poor miltia slingers.

[ottomanmjm]

4 x TC
82 BGs of 4 Poor sling

Now there is a super army

(Note that the Inca army list is specifically worded to prevent them from having limitless numbers of Poor slings)

Except that they would stretch across the entire table in about 8 ranks or 4 BG's deep. They are very quickly going to run out of room to evade.

[ravenflight]

I noticed this limit on the Incas. They really needed another handicap!

Martin

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Anyone who runs Incas deserve what they get.

Especially if they run Chinese as well...

... and roll nothing but 5's

*grumble*

[Polkovnik]

Apart from poor LF (which you should normally have as many of as possible) I like the look of front rank Armoured HF light spear swordsman with rear rank MF bow (which appear in Assyrian and possibly some other armies). They shoot with 1 dice per file and are good against most opponents in both impact and melee.
I haven't tried them out yet but as soon as I get my Assyrians rebased I will do.

[expendablecinc]

8 unprotected superior heavy weapon MF (screened by aforementioned poor slingers)
average armoured offensive spearmen
4 protected average drilled xbow MF

Anthony

[Polkovnik]

"protected average drilled xbow MF"

I disagree that these are particularly good value. They are so vulnerable to any foot that they could be a liability.

[marty]

oh no ravenflight anyone brave enough to use Inca deserves to be worshipped as a god. None of the blood and gold lists are comp super armies but the inca are pretty poor at best.

martin

[Skullzgrinda]

oh no ravenflight anyone brave enough to use Inca deserves to be worshipped as a god. None of the blood and gold lists are comp super armies but the inca are pretty poor at best.

martin

I don't know . . . The Inca list is a superpower compared to a couple of lists that tempted me. I got over them, but I had to call a buddy for an intervention.

[kevinj]

"protected average drilled xbow MF"

I disagree that these are particularly good value. They are so vulnerable to any foot that they could be a liability.

Agreed they're extremely vulnerable in the front line, but 4 of these are really good value if they're sat behind 2 8s of armoured spearmen, providing rear support to both. Plus it's a way of cheaply increaing your unit count, which a lot of Medieval armies suffer from.

[hammy]

"protected average drilled xbow MF"

I disagree that these are particularly good value. They are so vulnerable to any foot that they could be a liability.

Agreed they're extremely vulnerable in the front line, but 4 of these are really good value if they're sat behind 2 8s of armoured spearmen, providing rear support to both. Plus it's a way of cheaply increaing your unit count, which a lot of Medieval armies suffer from.

In a lot of ways they are better if they are unprotected, that way you don't even try to put them anywhere dangerous.

[Robert241167]

I don't know Hammy, those compulsory 4 MF crossbowmen as protected in the SHNC list have sometimes moved onto the flank to deter that lone light horse BG from taking my camp. That is once the BG's it is supporting have got on top in their combats.

Rob

[hammy]

I don't know Hammy, those compulsory 4 MF crossbowmen as protected in the SHNC list have sometimes moved onto the flank to deter that lone light horse BG from taking my camp. That is once the BG's it is supporting have got on top in their combats.

Rob

True but an unprotected MF BG in the right place can often shoot without response and if it gets to a flank charge situation it doesn't really matter what capabilities it has.

4 protected MF are only marginally better than the average LH BG. They might keep your camp safe for an extra turn or two in that role I suppose.

[philqw78]

4 protected MF are only marginally better than the average LH BG. They might keep your camp safe for an extra turn or two in that role I suppose.

It depends on what they are doing. In a shooting competition to protect your camp I believe they are far worse than LH that is threatening it.
The MF find it much more difficult to get out of the way if disrupted, so less chance to rally. They take a -1 for edge if the world if they take a CT. But then most peoples LH cost more than 4 XBow.