Factions and Sides.

firepowerjohan · Post by **firepowerjohan** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:32 pm

Since many players do not bother reading the manual, might be better to clarify a few things that easily can be missunderstood.

Factions:
Game will have 2 sides, Axis and Allies. Game will also have 3 factions

* Axis
* Western Allies
* USSR

where both Western Allies and USSR are on the Allied side so they are teamed up against Axis. But, what differs having 3 factions i.e what differs, in Commander Europe At War, having USSR separate from the Western Allies?

FACTIONAL BASIS:
1) Oil : Oil is faction based, meaning for instance Italy, Germany and any other Axis nation use the same Oil and they add their oil production to the same pool. Same ofcourse for other factions.

2) Railroad Movements : Railroad is also faction based, meaning if UK move lots of units using up all rail then USA or France would have to pay production points moving by rail.

NATIONAL BASIS:
1) Production : Production is on national based for Major nations while minor nations share their production with the faction leader. This means Romania will when they join Axis faction give their production to Germany but also use up German Production when reinforcing.

2) Manpower : Manpower is on national basis so Romania could theoretically have manpower shortage while their faction leader Germany have lots of manpower reserves.

3) Tech levels : Tech levels is on national basis. Countries can differ in tech levels but when on same level they will have the same exact effect.

4) Commanders : Commanders are on national basis. Countries have their own unique Commanders with their own attributes

5) AI is on national basis meaning Italy could have their primary focus on attacking Greece at the same time as Germany have their primary focus on attacking Spain.

joe98 · Post by **joe98** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:57 pm

Wallies

Should this be "Wallys"

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:09 am

That's a cool approach, Johann. So if the USSR loses all the southern oil fields, and runs short of oil, they do not share the Western Allies oil, eh?

Actually, the more I think about this, the more I like it. It's actually a very realistic approach to things.

Let's face it, the relationship between the USSR and the West was not one of trust and brotherhood.

jon_j_rambo · Post by **jon_j_rambo** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:02 am

Thanks for the info FPJ, we wish you the best in your development efforts.

"Build it, and they will come" --- from the American movie baseball classic, Field of Dreams.

-Legend

James Taylor · Post by **James Taylor** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:11 pm

If you guys really want to make a great game, I have a suggestion and its the only one you'll ever need to follow up on.

Go back and review all the posts from the original SC1 forum. There exists a lot of BS to sift through, but buried in that quagmire is the keys to the greatest WW2 strategic game to ever be produced.

Its not for free, but it only costs time, which is an invaluable commodity.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:13 pm

What the heck is SC1?

jon_j_rambo · Post by **jon_j_rambo** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:23 pm

SC1 = Strategic Command 1
SC2 = Strategic Command 2
3R = Third Reich

They are games.

SMK-at-work · Post by **SMK-at-work** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:47 am

If the USSR lost the Caucasus oilfields the USA would certainly have shipped them oil - along with the hundreds of thousands of tons of other raw materials they sent them - aluminium, steel, rubber, etc. It would have been less convenient, and it would have taken some time to get going, but htere should be no doubt that it would have happened.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:23 am

It's unlikely oil will ever be an issue for the Allies, it's more about the Axis supply of oil or lack thereof.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:21 pm

iainmcneil wrote:It's unlikely oil will ever be an issue for the Allies, it's more about the Axis supply of oil or lack thereof.

Does this mean the USSR has another major source of oil, outside the caucasus, or does this mean the Axis has no real chance to capture the caucasus oil fields?

I confess my historical knowledge is lacking here

SMK-at-work · Post by **SMK-at-work** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:01 pm

as I said above the Sov's would have obtained oil from hte USA - for all intents and purposes the USA constitutes an unlimted oil supply for the allies.

The Germans could have captured teh oilfields - however whether they would have been able to make use of them is an intersting discussion - they would undoubtably have been destroyed along with the refineries in the area and it is by no means sure that Germany could have bought them online significantly without considerable delay.

A summary of oil output can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_p ... #Crude_Oil

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:50 pm

Good point. They couldn't just call Schlumbergerlike oil companies do today

jon_j_rambo · Post by **jon_j_rambo** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:02 pm

Agreed & have always brought this up. Capturing the oil is one thing, but getting it home & refined is another!

firepowerjohan · Post by **firepowerjohan** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:35 pm

it does not need to be 100% realistic in the oil cases. The point is, if Axis takes Caucasus they will no longer have Oil Shortage, does not matter if they produce at 50% (which is the production efficiency in occupied resource in CEAW) or 10%, USSR oil will be enough for Axis to drive their planes and tanks for sure.

For USSR, if they lose caucasus they will not run out of Oil for a long time since their big surplus enable them to stockpile oil.

SMK-at-work · Post by **SMK-at-work** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:22 pm

You miss the point jihn - if hte Axis capture the Caucasus oilfields then they have the POTENTIAL to have more oil than they "need" - but it will take time to realise that potential. they have to get UP TO 10% from 0%....0% of anything is still 0, and it might take months to get significant production.

plus the transport infrastructure won't be there to get it to where it needs to be - so there needs to be some requirement for the Axis to actually invest resources in order to get resources.

duncan · Post by **duncan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:46 am

stalins_organ wrote:You miss the point jihn - if hte Axis capture the Caucasus oilfields then they have the POTENTIAL to have more oil than they "need" - but it will take time to realise that potential. they have to get UP TO 10% from 0%....0% of anything is still 0, and it might take months to get significant production.

plus the transport infrastructure won't be there to get it to where it needs to be - so there needs to be some requirement for the Axis to actually invest resources in order to get resources.

Maybe it could be modelled by a per-turn increase in production income

0 % first turn you hold the area
10 % second turn
30 % thrd turn

and so on

same with every resource that needs some extra work on it (no raw resources)

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:55 am

It depends how damaged the facilities are when captured as to how long it takes to get them to full capacity.

firepowerjohan · Post by **firepowerjohan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:53 am

Yes, and facilities will get damaged in battles so if Stalingrad holds for 3 turns of heavy battle before being occupied by Axis then Stalingrad will be at strength 0 meaning 0% production first turn.

syagrius · Post by **syagrius** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:36 pm

Would have been great to include Japan and the Pacific-Asian theater in the game, like in Hearts of Iron which is global. Maybe it will be for a sequel?

firepowerjohan · Post by **firepowerjohan** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:38 pm

syagrius wrote:Would have been great to include Japan and the Pacific-Asian theater in the game, like in Hearts of Iron which is global. Maybe it will be for a sequel?

The game is currently an amazing huge 150x72 hexes so we could not include any more regions for this version. Future versions of the Commander series will depend on how well this first one goes. Ofcourse, including the Pacific theatre would mean we have to change the scale of the hexes because else we would get a roughly 1000x500 hex game which is way too large.