Another Unusual Pursuit

[philqw78]

Not quite as technical as the last and the main problem was when do the cataphracts break. Also could be added to the horror stories thread, but thankfully not for me.

The two green BG are LH facing down the page the arrows show their direction of charge. A is enemy LH. The arrow shows its only legal evade. B is fragmented enemy cataphracts.


When the LH evade they burst through the cataphracts breaking them

The cataphracts cause a cohesion test on the LH who fail and become disrupted. The cataphracts then rout through the LH fragmenting them. The Green LH continue their pursuit into the rear of the LH breaking them. What happens next? I assume the LH immediately rout through the cataphracts, double breaking them. Do the LH get a pursuit VMD as they have broken enemy at impact. I think we may have missed the LH initial rout and green pursuit into cataphracts


This was the same game as the last one

head hurty

[philqw78]

Another question on this, which I forgot in the original post.

If the evading LH rolled very long, bursting through the Cats and then moving greater than 4 MU, when is the test taken, since at the end of their move they will be too far away to be affected by the break. Although they are the cause of it.

Could the cats have broken whilst being burst through, thereby not bursting through the LH themselves but being pushed in front of them?

[sagji]

I will refer to the green LH as L (left) and R (right).

L and R declare a charge, with the path as specified.
A evades bursting through B - B is now broken.
L and R now do their charge, one at a time.
If B is in their declared path, and normal charge distance they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise roll the VMD - if B is now in distance and path they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise they have the option of charging down the declared path, or of wheeling to follow A - which will contact B.

This is the end of charge moves so now resolve any impact combats - B is broken so there isn't one here.

At the end of the impact phase A tests for seeing B break - and drops.
Then B makes its initial rout, bursting through A which becomes fragmented.
IF L or R contacted B then they pursue, in which case.
A tests for being charged when fragmented - if it fails it routs immediatly.
A can then either evade of try to stand - if it stands it will break on contact due to the rear charge.
A evades through B
L and/or R then pursue B.


L or R get a VMD on their pusuit - but only get to pursue if they contact B.
They won't contact A - it either routs or evades their pursuit of B.


Hypothetically if for some reason A couldn't evade, but passed its CT for being charged when fragmented then L and R would pursue into it counting as a charge and resolved in the current impact phase. A would break, and then make an initial rout - after both L and R have pursued B's rout. A would burst through B again, and L and R would then pursue into B. Technicaly this triggers a new charge resolved this pahse, but as B is already broken this has no effect - so the impact phase ends.

[sagji]

Another question on this, which I forgot in the original post.

If the evading LH rolled very long, bursting through the Cats and then moving greater than 4 MU, when is the test taken, since at the end of their move they will be too far away to be affected by the break. Although they are the cause of it.

The test is taken at the end of the impact phase - thus after the LH have finished their move. So if they were far enough away they wouldn't have to test.

Could the cats have broken whilst being burst through, thereby not bursting through the LH themselves but being pushed in front of them?

The cats don't make their initial rout 'till the end of the impact phase - when they break is not relevant.

[philqw78]

I will refer to the green LH as L (left) and R (right).

L and R declare a charge, with the path as specified.
A evades bursting through B - B is now broken.
L and R now do their charge, one at a time.
If B is in their declared path, and normal charge distance they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise roll the VMD - if B is now in distance and path they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise they have the option of charging down the declared path, or of wheeling to follow A - which will contact B.

Does B not rout immediately since broken before charges are moved, like a BG that is shaken before charges that breaks when a charge is declared on it?

[lawrenceg]

I will refer to the green LH as L (left) and R (right).

L and R declare a charge, with the path as specified.
A evades bursting through B - B is now broken.
L and R now do their charge, one at a time.
If B is in their declared path, and normal charge distance they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise roll the VMD - if B is now in distance and path they charge on the declared path into it.
Otherwise they have the option of charging down the declared path, or of wheeling to follow A - which will contact B.

Does B not rout immediately since broken before charges are moved, like a BG that is shaken before charges that breaks when a charge is declared on it?

Not according to the sequence on p 168.

[philqw78]

OK, so the cats are contacted by L and R LH, who wheeled to follow A*, and the cats, B, rout at the end of the impact phase through A who then fragments.

L and R pursue B at the end of the impact phase taking them into A who is fragmented and must pass a test for charged whilst fragmented. If A breaks its not a problem. If A passes and evades L and R will not throw another VMD but will continue the VMD move for pursuing B.

A would be a fool to stand if it passed, as it would be immediately broken, after being taken in the rear. However if it did would L and R get another pursuit after contact?



* this wheel may or may not have included an advance directly forward of more than a gnats todger. I can't remember.

[sagji]

OK, so the cats are contacted by L and R LH, who wheeled to follow A*, and the cats, B, rout at the end of the impact phase through A who then fragments.

L and R pursue B at the end of the impact phase taking them into A who is fragmented and must pass a test for charged whilst fragmented. If A breaks its not a problem. If A passes and evades L and R will not throw another VMD but will continue the VMD move for pursuing B.

A would be a fool to stand if it passed, as it would be immediately broken, after being taken in the rear. However if it did would L and R get another pursuit after contact?

Yes - everytime something breaks and routs from you you get an initial pursuit - it doesn't matter that this is their second initial pursuit this impact phase - don't forget that have also had 2 charges and technically 2 impact combats.

[philqw78]

Pity I was heading back towards my own base line and not his then