HF unprotected offensive spears

Moro · Post by **Moro** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:49 am

Are there?

Early and Late Picts have MF unprotected offensive spears, but is there some army which have HF unprotected offensive spears? (It would be better have defensive spears, but it looks even more a strange combination!

Thanks
Andrea

Nicola_GMBS · Post by **Nicola_GMBS** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:28 am

Moro wrote:Are there?

Early and Late Picts have MF unprotected offensive spears, but is there some army which have HF unprotected offensive spears? (It would be better have defensive spears, but it looks even more a strange combination!

Thanks
Andrea

Maybe in Swifter than Eagles...

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:03 pm

Sumerians

upto 108 bases of unprotected HF defensive spear

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:11 pm

The Later "back in the box quite quickly"'s have a lot of them I believe?

Nicola_GMBS · Post by **Nicola_GMBS** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:26 pm

Andrea, do you want to beat your record of BGs?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:28 pm

madaxeman wrote:The Later "back in the box quite quickly"'s have a lot of them I believe?

Moro · Post by **Moro** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:42 pm

just thinking about something strange to deploy on the field... obviously with as many as possible BGs!

Moreover, a good mix of MF and HF undrilled unprotected defensive spears are probably better than MF undrilled unprotected light spears-swordmen!

Nicola_GMBS · Post by **Nicola_GMBS** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:13 pm

The UN-ARMY!
Light Spear and Swordsman work in every condition and with every amount of losses for your BG.
With Defensive spearman you're weaker in charging and if you have losses or severe morale or terrain disgregation.

If you are unprotected I think you have to charge with good skills, unless you want to take more and more shooting

jlopez · Post by **jlopez** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:37 pm

Real men use MF, unprotected, average, light spear...in the open.

Julian

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:19 pm

Nicola_GMBS wrote:The UN-ARMY!
Light Spear and Swordsman work in every condition and with every amount of losses for your BG.
With Defensive spearman you're weaker in charging and if you have losses or severe morale or terrain disgregation.

If you are unprotected I think you have to charge with good skills, unless you want to take more and more shooting

I tried lots of MF unprotected light spear swordsmen in one comp. The down sides are the sword not counting against steady spear (so you are -- vs most spearmen in melee) and needing to pass a CMT to charge disrupted (which you often need to do against a shooty enemy, even LF).

I would think unprotected offensive spear (MF or HF) would be much better value than unprotected light spear sword as they will often fight at evens in melee, even against knights or skilled sword legionaries, and can more easily charge missile troops.

Nicola_GMBS · Post by **Nicola_GMBS** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:37 pm

lawrenceg wrote:
Nicola_GMBS wrote:The UN-ARMY!
Light Spear and Swordsman work in every condition and with every amount of losses for your BG.
With Defensive spearman you're weaker in charging and if you have losses or severe morale or terrain disgregation.

If you are unprotected I think you have to charge with good skills, unless you want to take more and more shooting
I tried lots of MF unprotected light spear swordsmen in one comp. The down sides are the sword not counting against steady spear (so you are -- vs most spearmen in melee) and needing to pass a CMT to charge disrupted (which you often need to do against a shooty enemy, even LF).

I would think unprotected offensive spear (MF or HF) would be much better value than unprotected light spear sword as they will often fight at evens in melee, even against knights or skilled sword legionaries, and can more easily charge missile troops.

I agree with you, I was comparing them with defensive spearmen (Sumerian) and not offensive spearmen

Moro · Post by **Moro** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:47 pm

therefore, after some considerations, it seems to me clear that remain only pictish spearmen to field!

speedy · Post by **speedy** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:02 pm

Well, if it's unprotected HF Offensive Spearmen you want, try Feudal Scots, 32-142 of them in BGs of 6-10 ....

Moro · Post by **Moro** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:57 am

thank for counselling me feudal scots, even if -if I remember well- they have not as many skirmishers as I would...

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