PC1 remake Mod opinions wanted

[Grondel]

While looking at the Continuation war addition to 1941 i had an idea about the Kiev/Leningrad pathes.
I never really liked those 3 scenarios with 10 turns each. Instead i could turn them into 1 big scenario with 35 turns and a huge map where u do the whole operation in 1 scenario instead of 3.

Let me know what u think. If u have any other ideas feel free to let me know.

sers,
Thomas

[Retributarr]

A slightly different direction into the opening stages of WWII:
DE GAULLE S CONCEPT OF A MOBILE, PROFESSIONAL ARMY:
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA509926.pdf

The causes of France's rapid collapse!:
Among the important immediate causes identified is the French failure to mass armored forces for use against the attacking German thrusts.

It is clear that the French error ensued from an inability to recognize the potential of mechanized warfare, not from a shortage of armored vehicles.

By May 1940, France and Germany were approximately equal in the number of tanks available for combat on the western front, France having 2,43 I and Germany 2,439 (not counting command vehicles). The Germans massed their ten armored divisions into an armored group, two separate corps, and one separate division, while France haphazardly scattered her three armored divisions, three mechanized divisions, and her remaining twenty-seven non-divisional tank battalions among the eight French armies.

While the Germans recognized the potential of massed armored forces in conducting rapid, mobile operations, French armored units were committed to battle in a piecemeal fashion, resulting in their "melting away one after the other like snow flakes in the sun, without having any appreciable effect on the course of the battle."

General Charles De Gaulle offered his famous plan for the formation of a highly mobile army, insisting that it be formed with professional rather than citizen-soldiers.
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"WITHOUT A PROFESSIONAL ARMY, THERE CAN BE NO FRENCH DEFENSE".
Lieutenant Colonel ' ',' .Charles De Gaulle, 1934

"France had no army in peacetime in the old sense of the word," according to Irving M. Gibson."She had only a permanent frontier guard and 240,000 rrecruits under training. The active army was described even in French law as a training rather than fighting force. This system was to last through 1939 and the beginning of World War II.

De Gaulle asserted essentially that quality is better than quantity. A professional army is superior to the nation in arms, and France should construct a strongly armored, professional army.

De Gaulle firmly believed there were instances when France would want to attack outside her own borders. Therefore, he rejected the defensive nature of the nation in arms and, in effect, called for the creation of an army that could launch a "preventive strike" or initiate an immediate offensive upon the declaration of hostilities.


A professional army would have both an offensive and a defensive capability, could be used immediately without wasting precious time mobilizing,

France would still require a system of reserves, since this elite force could not possibly destroy all the forces of the enemy in an all-out war. But the "picked troops" of a professional army would be the foundation of France's defenses and would be the "vanguard of the mobilized nation.

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The French military hierarchy rejected De Gaulle's highly mobile, professional army without adequately studying the merits of large armored formations.

```Alert!!!... Now... "a what if!!!"... the French High Command had accepted De Gaulle's Professional Army Concept?.```

"Hitler" likely still would have made an attack on France anyway. However... with De Gaulle's professional army on hand at this time... events may have just worked out differently. If it doesn't... then the "Regular Events of History",,, continue on as before!.

France was not interested in being at war with Germany or invading Germany... or even occupying Berlin... so a blunting of a German invasion of France... could have led to some kind of armistice or compromise to cease that military invasion effort.

Germany ... at this stage... would then focus directly on Chezchoslovakia and Poland without any serious concern of military intervention from the Western Powers... since Germany was now at peace with France.

At this point in time!... Germany would still need "Iron-Ore" from Sweden and "Aluminum" from Norway... which would to some limited extent... involve British Intervention... likely without French intervention since Germany and France would have had concluded some kind of cessation of hostilities.

Later... Germany would or could come to the aid of "Mussolini"... in his endeavor to recreate the Roman Empire. Now!... without the British or Americans to interfere... until the British would confront Mussolini in Libya... which would still-not necessarily involve American participation.

Hitlers ambitions for the conquest of Russia would now be free of major encumberances... Hitlers hands would be basically untied!... without a hindering restrictive 2-front war to contend with. The invasion of Russia will now be a much easier task-at-hand!.

[sapper1]

While looking at the Continuation war addition to 1941 i had an idea about the Kiev/Leningrad pathes.
I never really liked those 3 scenarios with 10 turns each. Instead i could turn them into 1 big scenario with 35 turns and a huge map where u do the whole operation in 1 scenario instead of 3.

Let me know what u think. If u have any other ideas feel free to let me know.

sers,
Thomas

I think it's a great idea!

[seco1]

Based on the mods you have made I think it would be great!

[seco1]

Only downside I can see is with early modernization. You would loose 6 upgrades. Maybe add a training scenario before to soften that blow a bit. Just something simple reuse a map ect.
Thanks.

[Grondel]

Map loading times in eastern europ seem to be higher than western europe maps.
Please download the map and launch from the editor, let me know if loading times are okish or too high.

Loading time for me is +-3 mins with no units.
My machine is not top of the pops, but pretty ok.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5cxmp6nc ... z2scn/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/6dvlmkk2 ... v.map/file

thx for ur input.

sers,
Thomas

[DefiantXYX]

I dont have the scenarios in my mind, but normally I prefer more scenarios. Deployment is sometimes more entertaining then the scenario itself. Plus 3x chance for heroes. But I agree, 3x 10 turn is a bit unusual.

[Andrea69]

Map loading times in eastern europ seem to be higher than western europe maps.
Please download the map and launch from the editor, let me know if loading times are okish or too high.

Loading time for me is +-3 mins with no units.
My machine is not top of the pops, but pretty ok.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5cxmp6nc ... z2scn/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/6dvlmkk2 ... v.map/file

thx for ur input.

sers,
Thomas

Hello, my rig should be definitely ok and the map - which by the way looks outstanding - needed about 1 minute to load.

[terminator]

Maybe leave the possibility to choose between the 2 versions during the game if possible ?

[charge62]

Remember Gamelin! There were many factors contributing to the French collapse in 1940, political, military leadership, command skill, command relationships, et cetera.

The one military mistake that is unforgiveable even for the time, was Gamelin's refusal to use radio or telephones for his incoming communications. He had a courier retrieve dispatches twice a day and these were taken to his headquarters. Mind boggling.

[Grondel]

Remember Gamelin! There were many factors contributing to the French collapse in 1940, political, military leadership, command skill, command relationships, et cetera.

The one military mistake that is unforgiveable even for the time, was Gamelin's refusal to use radio or telephones for his incoming communications. He had a courier retrieve dispatches twice a day and these were taken to his headquarters. Mind boggling.

Stupidity and singlemindedness was an issue on all sides. Imagine Erhard Milch not saying "Planes use propellers, this is nonsense." Germany would have had a Jet-fighterplane in 1940/41, the Heinkel He 178, the first ever functional jet plane. It´s maidenflight was in August 1939, but none was able to see the advantages of it.

sers,
Thomas

[88Flak]

My vote would be for the big 35 turn over the 3 little ones. I’ll always prefer the bigger maps, more units and opportunity for a significant armor battle.

[Retributarr]

Remember Gamelin! There were many factors contributing to the French collapse in 1940, political, military leadership, command skill, command relationships, et cetera.

The one military mistake that is unforgiveable even for the time, was Gamelin's refusal to use radio or telephones for his incoming communications. He had a courier retrieve dispatches twice a day and these were taken to his headquarters. Mind boggling.

Stupidity and singlemindedness was an issue on all sides. Imagine Erhard Milch not saying "Planes use propellers, this is nonsense." Germany would have had a Jet-fighterplane in 1940/41, the Heinkel He 178, the first ever functional jet plane. It´s maidenflight was in August 1939, but none was able to see the advantages of it.

sers,
Thomas

There you go "Grondel!"... for PC1-Remake's... after-all... its "History" or the alternatives to past-History that we want to explore... study and learn from!.

There are "Two"- realistic... near actual historical changes that could have taken place... yet?... didn't... because of... "Single Minded Blind Stupidity!".

#1. de Gaulle's full-time professional armored tank army... that could have made a significant outcome to the invasion of France!.

#2. Someone with a strong determined counter-argument to "Erhard Milch's"... pathetic... narrow-minded comment... of "Planes {can only} use propellers"... as if this was the only conceivable way to produce viable military aircraft. despite the "Evidence" proving otherwise!.

Germany would have had a Jet-fighterplane in 1940/41!!!... how could this potential reality have had an effect on the outcome of WW2???. How many combat functional "Jet-Aircraft" could have been produced... and how effective would they really have been?.
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Let's find out!... by "Undoing the STUPIDITY!"

[Retributarr]

Operation C3 – Herkules – The Axis planned invasion of Malta (1942)
https://naval-encyclopedia.com/battles/ ... a-1942.php


Detailed map of Operation Herkules/ Esigenza C3.

The axis naval assault force was strong of 70,000 Italian troops. Amphibious landings were planned on the south-eastern coast of Malta, Marsaxlokk bay, in particular on a beaches of Famagosta and Larnaca. For support, the small islands of Gozo and Comino were also to be taken and held. Fake or bait assaults would take place at St. Paul’s Bay, Mellieha Bay, NW of Valletta. This was close to the obvious Victoria Lines, and more obvious as a choice for the British.

Composition of the Italian Infantry
The main assault of Esigenza C3 was to start before midnight after the airborne forces has been dropped in the afternoon to secure the heights above the planned landing beaches. The first-wave were from the Friuli (10,000 men) and Livorno Infantry Divisions (9,850 men), part of the XXX Corps. They were complemented by the 1st Assault and Loreto Battalions (Regia Aeronautica, 1200) two battalions of San Marco Marines (2,000) and three battalions of Blackshirts (1,900). Perhaps the most “salty” of these were the elite 300 Nuotatori, an Italian San Marco marines commando unit trained in ocean swimming and beach assault.

The next wave consisted of the Italian XVI Corps, essentially 9000 men of the Assieta, and Napoli (8,900) Infantry Divisions plus 3,200 men of supporting artillery units plus the second half of the 10th Armoured Regiment. Gozo idland was left to the Superga Infantry Division (9,200) and Blackshirts plus San Marco Marines, the second day.

Armored component
Armoured support consisted only of nineteen Semovente 47/32 and eight Semovente 75/18 and thirty L3 tankettes.

The German part of these landing was to provide the heavy armored component: For Operation Herkules the 2.Kompanie/Panzerabteilung z.b.V.66 (special use) partly equipped with captured Russian tanks was mobilized. It was given ten assorted KV-1 and KV-2s heavy tanks. They were carried by ten modified Italian motozattere (landing craft) with reinforced flooring and internal ramps.

Also modified Beutepanzer T-34(r) medium tanks and light tanks of the VK 1601s/VK 1801s types (6 each), twelve Panzer IVGs. In addition twenty more Panzer III were planned to be used, but with no prevision of origin. This part of the landings were to take place withing two days after the start of the landing operations, after Marsaxlokk Bay as totally secured and used as the main bridgehead. For the armored part of the operation see the excellent article on tanks encyclopedia
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/artic ... n-of-malta

Axis Naval forces deployed @WebPage
Also... see "Ground Component at Sister-Site!".
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/articles ... -of-malta/

– "Field Marshal Erwin Rommel quoted - Without Malta the Axis will end by losing control of North Africa…”

You can learn more about the naval part of the planned invasion of Malta on our sister website, Naval Encyclopedia!
https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww2 ... malta-1942


The elite Italian Folgore and La Spezia Airborne Divisions (elite Italian paratroopers) would train alongside the Germans as part of the 10,000 strong airborne invasion force.


Field Marshal Kesselring (left) and Marshall Ugo Cavallero (right).

the Italians were looking for the German expertise in parachute operations, and Major General Bernhard Ramcke, a veteran of the Crete assault, was selected to be the leading German expert.

Generals Bernhard Ramcke (left) and Kurt Student (right) – German airborne operations masterminds for the Operation Herkules part of Esigenza C3.


The plan of attack for Operation Esigenza C3. Source: Taken from Vivarelli

What tanks were going to be used by Italy?:
The Italian plan for tanks was to make use of eight 75 mm armed Semovente (likely the M13/40 based Semovente M40), and a further 19 Semovente armed with 47 mm guns, which would indicate the L6/40 based L40 da 47/32 all in the first wave, as well as a number of Medium tanks (likely the M13/40). Further tanks coming ashore in the second wave would include at least 50 CV3 light tanks and the bulk of the heavy artillery, including 90 mm and 75 mm anti-tank guns as well as 147 mm and 105 mm field guns towed by 170 tractors.

[Grondel]

Operation C3 – Herkules – The Axis planned invasion of Malta (1942)

Herkules is already in the mod as part of the Africa Corps campaign.
U can get Ramke as special hero together with up to 3 units of the Brigata paracadutisti Folgore.


sers,
Thomas

[seco1]

Should he have organized landing as a hero trait? It would be great for a paratrooper hero.

[Thunderhog]

While looking at the Continuation war addition to 1941 i had an idea about the Kiev/Leningrad pathes.
I never really liked those 3 scenarios with 10 turns each. Instead i could turn them into 1 big scenario with 35 turns and a huge map where u do the whole operation in 1 scenario instead of 3.

Let me know what u think. If u have any other ideas feel free to let me know.

sers,
Thomas

Having a great time so far and I've gotten to the Warsaw North Map. I've noticed that some enemy units have already been destroyed at game start for example, this dead captured panzer at the start of the scenario.

[Grondel]

While looking at the Continuation war addition to 1941 i had an idea about the Kiev/Leningrad pathes.
I never really liked those 3 scenarios with 10 turns each. Instead i could turn them into 1 big scenario with 35 turns and a huge map where u do the whole operation in 1 scenario instead of 3.

Let me know what u think. If u have any other ideas feel free to let me know.

sers,
Thomas

Having a great time so far and I've gotten to the Warsaw North Map. I've noticed that some enemy units have already been destroyed at game start for example, this dead captured panzer at the start of the scenario.

If u don´t kill ed orlik in earlier scenarios he will be driving that one.

sers,
Thomas

[Thunderhog]

While looking at the Continuation war addition to 1941 i had an idea about the Kiev/Leningrad pathes.
I never really liked those 3 scenarios with 10 turns each. Instead i could turn them into 1 big scenario with 35 turns and a huge map where u do the whole operation in 1 scenario instead of 3.

Let me know what u think. If u have any other ideas feel free to let me know.

sers,
Thomas

Having a great time so far and I've gotten to the Warsaw North Map. I've noticed that some enemy units have already been destroyed at game start for example, this dead captured panzer at the start of the scenario.

If u don´t kill ed orlik in earlier scenarios he will be driving that one.

sers,
Thomas

Ahhhh ok, so it's like the Spanish Republican Tank commander from the AO campaign.

[Grondel]

Having a great time so far and I've gotten to the Warsaw North Map. I've noticed that some enemy units have already been destroyed at game start for example, this dead captured panzer at the start of the scenario.

If u don´t kill ed orlik in earlier scenarios he will be driving that one.

sers,
Thomas

Ahhhh ok, so it's like the Spanish Republican Tank commander from the AO campaign.

except that he has his own portrait, yes.

sers,
Thomas