Do Swiss keils have "deep pike" bonus even in "not open" terrain?

[Ray552]

Two situations where Swiss keils have "deep pike" bonuses despite being in "not open" terrain (streams in this case):

1. My German Imperial Landsknecht keil (right center of screenshot, with the general) is on a 25-meter open ground slope, in melee against a Swiss keil in a stream square at ground level. The Swiss keil initiated melee - how does it still have the deep pike +100 POA bonus despite being in non-open terrain?



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2. A second German imperial Landsknecht keil (fragmented) is in melee against a different Swiss keil. Both units are in stream squares. As my unit is fragmented, it has lost both the pike (+100) and deep pike (+100) bonuses. However, how does the Swiss unit still have a deep pike bonus despite being in non-open terrain?



Either I'm missing some aspect of the rules, or there's a bug in the way the game engine is determining deep pike status.

[SnuggleBunnies]

Two situations where Swiss keils have "deep pike" bonuses despite being in "not open" terrain (streams in this case):

1. My German Imperial Landsknecht keil (right center of screenshot, with the general) is on a 25-meter open ground slope, in melee against a Swiss keil in a stream square at ground level. The Swiss keil initiated melee - how does it still have the deep pike +100 POA bonus despite being in non-open terrain?



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2. A second German imperial Landsknecht keil (fragmented) is in melee against a different Swiss keil. Both units are in stream squares. As my unit is fragmented, it has lost both the pike (+100) and deep pike (+100) bonuses. However, how does the Swiss unit still have a deep pike bonus despite being in non-open terrain?



Either I'm missing some aspect of the rules, or there's a bug in the way the game engine is determining deep pike status.

Look at the POA tables. They don't get Deep Pike Impact in any non-open terrain. They have to be Disrupted or Disordered to lose it in melee too.

[Ray552]

Well, I will be dipped in s**t.

Thanks, SB.

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