Connecting AO and Pacific Corps

[BaronVonKrieg]

Imagine that playing with Japanese in pacific corps impacts an changes progression of AO and has some implications or vice versa, what do you think about something like this ?

[Retributarr]

A great idea!, I have thought about this concept as well... as well as other similar lines of 'Game-Play' mechanics. However... I think that these grandeous ideas will only... or should only... be in the "Hypothetical Category"... which... by itself... opens up a whole 'New-Can-Of-Worms' [Not easily untangled...organized... or dealt with]. So!... maybe???... some-day we will have that!... "I hope so!"... its going to take more 'Game Mastery Engineering'... than it took for 'PzCr2'.

[Bee1976]

Imagine that playing with Japanese in pacific corps impacts an changes progression of AO and has some implications or vice versa, what do you think about something like this ?

Well the idea sounds interesting. You as a player perform well in the pacific for japan, and your campaign in der AO benefits from it. I really like that idea. But it sounds like fiction. Two diffrent teams work on AO and Pacific, afaik. And that might force players interested in an ahistorical GC force to play/buy pacific aswell.
But there no limits to this idea for ahistorical campaigns, even for soviet or allied corps.

[BaronVonKrieg]

Imagine that playing with Japanese in pacific corps impacts an changes progression of AO and has some implications or vice versa, what do you think about something like this ?

Well the idea sounds interesting. You as a player perform well in the pacific for japan, and your campaign in der AO benefits from it. I really like that idea. But it sounds like fiction. Two diffrent teams work on AO and Pacific, afaik. And that might force players interested in an ahistorical GC force to play/buy pacific aswell.
But there no limits to this idea for ahistorical campaigns, even for soviet or allied corps.

well if people dont have pacific they can choose what happens in pacific like that text choice for stalingrad, so that can be negated

[GUNDOBALDO08]

More than Japan Pacific connected with AO, I think We will have USA pacific connected with Allied European invasion, so when finished first pacific Dlc We can choose if start USA 1944/45 pacific dlc or go to European Dlc’s...

[Stormchaser]

While the idea is certainly interesting, I doubt it will happen. And not just because different teams are working on AO and Pacific or the fact that the European and Pacific theaters are so far apart I struggle to realistically see how one would really affect the other short of Japan invading Siberia and steamrolling through it/US invasion from either side.

But how would they implement it?
Currently, in order to have a special event trigger in one Campaign or Scenario as a result of actions taken in another Campaign/Scenario, they give you something that can't be replicated or otherwise acquired during that window of time as a Token. Things like certain Heroes like Adolf Galland for the Operation Mercury trade, or prototype/captured equipment in too small amounts to make use of in any way but as the token. And they carry over from Scenario to Scenario, Campaign to Campaign easily because the game was designed to carry that stuff over from the start, so all the systems were already in place.
So, unless they come up with some new system for setting up special event flags, the only way currently to set up those types of events would be to somehow get a token you earn in Pacific into an AO campaign. Which, unless they do something funky like allow you to be a German/Japanese super general who swaps between working for both countries or give you the option to import a Japanese core in AO (and vice versa) solely for tokens and nothing else, is pretty much impossible.

Admittedly, Order of Battle had something kinda similar in concept, in that by owning X campaign you received a benefit of some sort for owning Y campaign. In the regular German Campaign, by owning the Kriegsmarine Campaign you can get a special 20mm Flak gun and by owning the Winter War Campaign you get a special Infantry division. US Pacific players get Australian Commandos for owning the Burma Road Campaign. And if you own the Morning Sun Campaign (Japan invading China) you get a special Air Hero in the Rising Sun (Japan Pacific) regardless if you import a Core or not. They also have a special Motorcycle Unit you can get in the Morning Sun Campaign for owning a completely different game!
None of these are really huge, game defining bonuses or really fit the idea of having the actual events of one Campaign influencing another though.
Also, my personal opinion is that while these bonus add some nice extra flavor for people that own the right DLC, it kinda boils down to the game actively encouraging you to buy the more minor campaigns, which you may otherwise be uninterested in, or else you miss out on stuff, and I'm not a huge fan of that sort of behavior (Even less so the whole 'Buy an entirely separate game' bonus). So I'm not exactly sure I want to see it implemented in PC2.

Anyway, Order of Battle aside, it's easy for us as players to come up with great (and sometimes not so great, depending on who you ask ) ideas we want to see and seem easy to implement, but what may seem easy to us may actually be much more difficult to program that we realize, or would take to much time/effort for too little a benefit in the eyes of the developers. And I do feel like having the AO and Pacific Campaigns influence each other is a very interesting idea, I feel like it falls into this category.

[BaronVonKrieg]

While the idea is certainly interesting, I doubt it will happen. And not just because different teams are working on AO and Pacific or the fact that the European and Pacific theaters are so far apart I struggle to realistically see how one would really affect the other short of Japan invading Siberia and steamrolling through it/US invasion from either side.

But how would they implement it?
Currently, in order to have a special event trigger in one Campaign or Scenario as a result of actions taken in another Campaign/Scenario, they give you something that can't be replicated or otherwise acquired during that window of time as a Token. Things like certain Heroes like Adolf Galland for the Operation Mercury trade, or prototype/captured equipment in too small amounts to make use of in any way but as the token. And they carry over from Scenario to Scenario, Campaign to Campaign easily because the game was designed to carry that stuff over from the start, so all the systems were already in place.
So, unless they come up with some new system for setting up special event flags, the only way currently to set up those types of events would be to somehow get a token you earn in Pacific into an AO campaign. Which, unless they do something funky like allow you to be a German/Japanese super general who swaps between working for both countries or give you the option to import a Japanese core in AO (and vice versa) solely for tokens and nothing else, is pretty much impossible.

Admittedly, Order of Battle had something kinda similar in concept, in that by owning X campaign you received a benefit of some sort for owning Y campaign. In the regular German Campaign, by owning the Kriegsmarine Campaign you can get a special 20mm Flak gun and by owning the Winter War Campaign you get a special Infantry division. US Pacific players get Australian Commandos for owning the Burma Road Campaign. And if you own the Morning Sun Campaign (Japan invading China) you get a special Air Hero in the Rising Sun (Japan Pacific) regardless if you import a Core or not. They also have a special Motorcycle Unit you can get in the Morning Sun Campaign for owning a completely different game!
None of these are really huge, game defining bonuses or really fit the idea of having the actual events of one Campaign influencing another though.
Also, my personal opinion is that while these bonus add some nice extra flavor for people that own the right DLC, it kinda boils down to the game actively encouraging you to buy the more minor campaigns, which you may otherwise be uninterested in, or else you miss out on stuff, and I'm not a huge fan of that sort of behavior (Even less so the whole 'Buy an entirely separate game' bonus). So I'm not exactly sure I want to see it implemented in PC2.

Anyway, Order of Battle aside, it's easy for us as players to come up with great (and sometimes not so great, depending on who you ask ) ideas we want to see and seem easy to implement, but what may seem easy to us may actually be much more difficult to program that we realize, or would take to much time/effort for too little a benefit in the eyes of the developers. And I do feel like having the AO and Pacific Campaigns influence each other is a very interesting idea, I feel like it falls into this category.

im not saying hey devs you need to implement this, its more of a disscusion starter where we can throw ideas! and who knows maybe some of these ideas catches an eye from the team and is found worthy to be considered or further disscused. so i encourage everybody here to throw some ideas lets talk about them together and have some fun while waiting for next pc2 content, also thanks to everybody for commenting and giving their insights

[jeannot le lapin]

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