Rampage June 27th/28th, Essex

[shall]

Details for the comps are now on the ilford wargames club site.

Twas fun last year.

Si

[david53]

15mm variable is that 800 points then or am i missing something
Dave

[shall]

It may drop back to a straight 800pts but the concept is a bit more interesting. I am awaiting news form Ilford before publishing details.

Si

[Maniakes]

There is a document up on their web site with a 700/800/900 point variable idea that looks really fun. Hope they stick with it! The only question is when would you reveal which version you are using? I think it should be after all ambushes and flank marches have arrived/been deployed on table ... would offer lots of possibility for disinformation!

[david53]

I understand the concept and think it could be a good idea but I fear it might not catch on.
Dave

[timmy1]

David, and you care because...? This is being held in God's own county and you live 200 miles from civilisation (and the other side of the Pennines to boot), so matter it one jot to you :) Having said that it does not appeal to me so you might be right.

[shall]

Its not intended to catch on as a replacement for normal 800pt comps but rather an alternative to give new variety into the circuit.

Now confirmed - we shall see how many takers we can get for something a little different and if it works build it up for next year. I will be running this while playing in the 25mm so I don't get an inside view on who has sued what. Maybe next year I can play in it to!

Herewith the details. Should be fun. Come and join in. Tell your friends.

Entries to Peter, lists to me please at SHWARGAMES@aol.com

Si

REARGUARD 15mm

And now for something a little different form the usual 800 pt stand up fight .

We all play with equal sized armies all the time, rather than facing the challenges a general has where they have to grit it out with fewer troops; or need to take full advantage of having more troops. Hence competition format that is a little different for us to trial.

Armies: 15mm FOG armies from any book up to "Swifter than Eagles"

Army Design: Choose any date and then design THREE variants of the army of 700, 800 and 900 points. The army uses the PBI of the 800 pt army throughout the competition (so that the army choice can come after terrain-see below). FF are not allowed - or everyone might just fortify their 700pt army. The army = main list or variant thereof, so if classical greek you choose to be Spartan and do 3 Spartans, or choose to be Thesslain and do 3 of those. You can vary allies, generals or troops as you want within that.

Competition Rules: Over 4 games the 800 pt army must be used TWICE and the 700 and 900 must be used ONCE each. You choose which army to play AFTER terrain has been deployed. So you know who, what and where you are playing before deciding. On average therefore you should have 2 uneven games out of the 4 to be played - giving a different type of challenge.

Scoring System: The normal FOG scoring system will be used for the 20 - 0 components but the 5 bonus for army routs will be altered as follows:
Army Rout achieved with 200pt deficit +10
Army Rout achieved with 100 pt deficit + 7
Army Rout achieved with equal armies + 5
Army Rout achieved with 100pt surplus + 3
Army Rout achieved with 200pt surplus + 1
Draw: First round draw will be done by date order to match historical opponents a much as possible - thereafter Swiss chess format.

So all to play for even with uneven armies. He who can manage to defeat a 900pt army with a 700pt army will get a bonus of 10! So don't necessarily sit back and defend with your 700pter!!

Umpire and Organiser : Simon Hall

[petedalby]

I love the concept Si but Rampage clashes with my wife's birthday this year so will be unable to attend.

Hope it goes well though.

Pete

[david53]

David, and you care because...? This is being held in God's own county and you live 200 miles from civilisation (and the other side of the Pennines to boot), so matter it one jot to you Having said that it does not appeal to me so you might be right.

And this from a man in Chelmsford ....and being held in gods country I thought it was somewhere way down southhhhhhhhhh...not in the real gods country north of Watford
Joking aside I would'nt mind playing like this at all it would give me another excuse for losing, which i must say i do rather well at...
Dave

[LambertSimnel]

Sounds fun. I'll have to see if I can make it.

Army Design: Choose any date and then design THREE variants of the army of 700, 800 and 900 points.

Just to be clear are the following allowed or not:

1) Late Byzantine: a 700AP Trebizond list, a 800AP Central list and a 900AP Morea list
2) Late Republican Rome: a 700AP 42BC Brutus & Cassius list, 800AP and 900AP lists 42BC not Brutus & Cassius
3) Pontic: a 700AP list with MF Thureophoroi, 800AP & 900AP lists with HF Thureophoroi

[david53]

Sounds fun. I'll have to see if I can make it.

Army Design: Choose any date and then design THREE variants of the army of 700, 800 and 900 points.

Just to be clear are the following allowed or not:

1) Late Byzantine: a 700AP Trebizond list, a 800AP Central list and a 900AP Morea list
2) Late Republican Rome: a 700AP 42BC Brutus & Cassius list, 800AP and 900AP lists 42BC not Brutus & Cassius
3) Pontic: a 700AP list with MF Thureophoroi, 800AP & 900AP lists with HF Thureophoroi

No I think they mean one list 3 different points values, I could of course be wrong.

[shall]

Correct. Single list and date. 3 variants

Si

[MARVIN_THE_ARVN]

Sounds like a good idea but I will be away

Lets us know how it goes.

[hammy]

Sounds like a good idea but I will be away

Lets us know how it goes.

Well aftoer your result in France that would probably mean it is a bit easier for those who can make it to place

[MARVIN_THE_ARVN]

Im not sure my luck could hold out that long

[david53]

Im not sure my luck could hold out that long

You make your own luck, you do seem to have a knack for FOG, its this planning thing you have and sticking to it. I must remember to have a plan, you still owe me a game of FOG when your back again
Dave

[MARVIN_THE_ARVN]

Plans are good but need to be flexiable.

I will release the Lilliputians against your valiant army next time im up that end.

[shall]

First list is in.

Keep them coming. As long sa we get to around 10+ we can test the system out well.

Simon

[LambertSimnel]

Sounds fun. I'll have to see if I can make it.

Army Design: Choose any date and then design THREE variants of the army of 700, 800 and 900 points.

Just to be clear are the following allowed or not:

1) Late Byzantine: a 700AP Trebizond list, a 800AP Central list and a 900AP Morea list
2) Late Republican Rome: a 700AP 42BC Brutus & Cassius list, 800AP and 900AP lists 42BC not Brutus & Cassius
3) Pontic: a 700AP list with MF Thureophoroi, 800AP & 900AP lists with HF Thureophoroi

No I think they mean one list 3 different points values, I could of course be wrong.

Sorry I wasn't being clear. What I meant was.am I allowed to have my lists use different options (but the same date) from one list (like one Late Byzantine Central, one Late Byzantine Morea and one Late Byzantine Trebizond)? and (if instead of Late Byzantine I choose , sa also are my three lists allowed to use different interpretations for those troops (such as Thureophoroi) that all have to be graded the same?

(and also am I using too many parenthases?)

[shall]

Ah now I understand ... the answer .... and will amend the materials above with a note thanks.

Choose 1 list normally is very simple, but you are right if the list has sub-lists variants you need to stick to one. So that the army choice is the same.

You can vary allies within that and troops within that. So if Classical Greek you need to decide if you are Spartan or not, and then have 3 variants fo Spartan.

I can see how Late Byzantine is interesting with so many choice. On this one you need to choose if you are Central, Epirot, Trebizond or Morea Late Byzantine and then create 3 variants. Central looks cool as you have some good allies to look at.

Si