no need to waste these 2 heros...

[scorehouse]

I put over strength and ET killer 4x Heroes on the biggest German bomber. over strengthed to 20 then used it on an infantry entrenched to 10/10 then did the same thing using the same bomber, bombing the same unit WITHOUT either over strength to 20 or the 4x entrenchment killer hero. the bomber was OS 15. same results. if you wish to try it, the unit is entrenched in the first victory objective in the Sevastopol battle. the one in the NE where the game supplied big train artillery unit comes into play. so the question is what units to use these heroes on for maximum results?

[adiekmann]

I put over strength and ET killer 4x Heroes on the biggest German bomber. over strengthed to 20 then used it on an infantry entrenched to 10/10 then did the same thing using the same bomber, bombing the same unit WITHOUT either over strength to 20 or the 4x entrenchment killer hero. the bomber was OS 15. same results. if you wish to try it, the unit is entrenched in the first victory objective in the Sevastopol battle. the one in the NE where the game supplied big train artillery unit comes into play. so the question is what units to use these heroes on for maximum results?

That's not my experience and I am pretty certain of it. I always play with Trench Slog, however, so I don't know how much that may affect results. But I usually put Entrenchment Killer heroes on either artillery or Strat bombers because that's what I am using to soften up entrenched enemy units with anyways, so it makes sense to give them that extra "ummph." I have checked the entrenchment level of the enemy unit to see what effect the hero had while playing with Trench Slog and I did see it go down. For both of those types of units though, the strength is not going to effect the amount of entrenchment that gets reduced. That is a set value regardless of strength. It does affect damage, especially if you have Lethal Attack on there as well, but if your sole purpose is for entrenchment reduction, then you might as well keep it at 10 strength. That's what I do, and it can even be one of the wimpiest German strat bombers.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Strategic Bombers deal more suppression than damage, so overstrengthening them is relatively useless,especially since entrenchments provides damage reduction against all kinds of attacks. It is also not a good idea to put Entrenchment Killer heroes on artillery or strategic bombers as the effect doesn't stack, giving it to a fighter, tactical bomber or even infantry units would be better.Consolidator should also go to frontline units to allow more survivablility and more damage dealing, and, if possible, combined with Zero Slot for some big assets to make them more deadly without increased slot cost.

[scorehouse]

so Diek you get the OS and the Consolidator Heros, r u using them on the same unit together? if so what unit? or r u splitting them? or in the case of Consolidator you dont utilize it to use the slot space elsewhere?

[scorehouse]

whilst waiting on the 42 ,I'm replaying the original. hero generosity is missed so I'm trying to maximize what HAl morsels out to me. still having trouble with escape from Stalingrad?

[scorehouse]

just finished Stalingrad. absent Heroes include Zero/reduced slots, Crippling Blow, Lethal Attack, Double Move, Double Attack, Lighting Attack, Overwhelming Attack!!! haven't even gotten the artillery support hero

[adiekmann]

so Diek you get the OS and the Consolidator Heros, r u using them on the same unit together? if so what unit? or r u splitting them? or in the case of Consolidator you dont utilize it to use the slot space elsewhere?

In my latest core I do have one Consolidator hero and I use it on my biggest gun, 21cm/203 mm artillery piece. At the end of AO41 it is maxed out with 4500 xp, +3 Soft Attack, +1 HA, and Skilled Support. I also have a Zero Slot Hero on it, of course, and Double Attack. Those guns are great at taking out fortifications too and when they are that experienced they don't need a Lethal Attack hero to be lethal. The only other unit that I sometimes put on it in the past (because I don't have one now) is Artillery Support so it can support units from enemy infantry attacks as well. I have used it on the "Land Stuka" too, but I like it better on the Big Gun. On scenarios where I don't need/use artillery (like Crete), I put it on either a fighter or tac bomber like the Il-2 because it is more core expensive than a Ju 87. But most of the time it's on an artillery gun.

[adiekmann]

It is also not a good idea to put Entrenchment Killer heroes on artillery or strategic bombers as the effect doesn't stack,

When I tested it, I seem to remember that it did add additional trench reduction. However, that may have been adjusted because I also play with Trench Slog. So, it might require a revisit to double check.

[scorehouse]

my artillery right now is the Karl and a Wurf for mobility. have a 21 in reserve but its too vulnerable right now. Russians are on full offense after Stalingrad. I'm surprised my FW's aren't
better against the Russian planes

[adiekmann]

my artillery right now is the Karl and a Wurf for mobility. have a 21 in reserve but its too vulnerable right now. Russians are on full offense after Stalingrad. I'm surprised my FW's aren't
better against the Russian planes

That's why I took a "Denied Artillery Holiday" in AO40 and upgraded it to a 21cm German gun so I wouldn't have to face shortages later on. Plus the 21 cm has 5 ammo rather than 4 for the 203mm.

[scorehouse]

keep in mind this is the original which i just quit miss the extra heroes, etc. replaying 40 then 41. do you import your core or start fresh? seems like you lose too many accumulated assets. to you gain anything to make it the preferred choice?

[adiekmann]

keep in mind this is the original which i just quit miss the extra heroes, etc. replaying 40 then 41. do you import your core or start fresh? seems like you lose too many accumulated assets. to you gain anything to make it the preferred choice?

When you say "the original," do you mean you are playing with the heroes that you begin the campaign with when you aren't importing a core? If so, then yes, that is much more difficult. I have done that but I much prefer an imported core. The biggest loss is actually, I think, not the fewer heroes that you have, but the fact that none of your units have any awards (e.g. +2 SA, +1 HA, Survivor, etc.). There other little ways that affect your strength too. For instance, I have by '41 all the artillery that I probably need for the rest of the war. So I can take the 'Denied Artillery' trait from now on. Can't necessary do that if I am beginning with the preset core. That then in turn effects what positive traits you have.

Ultimately, you chose to begin with a preset core if you are looking for a greater challenge. I have only played '41 with preset core and those are a little better (hero-wise) than the previous DLCs.
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[Scrapulous]

I think by "the original," scorehouse means he was playing the Grand Campaign that shipped with the game; in other words, no DLC. He mentioned Stalingrad and a scarcity of heroes in one of his earlier posts, which makes me think it's the vanilla GC.

[George_Parr]

I think by "the original," scorehouse means he was playing the Grand Campaign that shipped with the game; in other words, no DLC. He mentioned Stalingrad and a scarcity of heroes in one of his earlier posts, which makes me think it's the vanilla GC.

I agree, it has to be about the regular campaign. The DLCs don't even reach that far yet.

One minor niggle though: it's not the Grand Campaign. The Axis Operations are the Grand Campaign

[PoorOldSpike]

Speaking of Heroes, is there a list of all the hero types somewhere in the manual, or a thread describing them all in detail?
I want to browse them and try to work out which type of hero is best suited to which types of unit because some are a mystery to me.

[BaronVonKrieg]

Speaking of Heroes, is there a list of all the hero types somewhere in the manual, or a thread describing them all in detail?
I want to browse them and try to work out which type of hero is best suited to which types of unit because some are a mystery to me.

yeah there is hero overview thread somewhere in here

[Scrapulous]

One minor niggle though: it's not the Grand Campaign. The Axis Operations are the Grand Campaign

Ah. My biases are showing. I haven't ever finished the PC2 vanilla content. After playing the Panzer Corps DLC campaign so much (multiple times through back in the days when DLC was downloaded from Slitherine, then another playthrough when the game came out on Steam), the content that came with PC2 just felt so rushed. Units became obsolete so quickly, and maps felt ridiculously huge. I played some scenarios and resolved to wait for DLC. So I'm not familiar with the terminology.

Thanks for the correction!

[Scrapulous]

Speaking of Heroes, is there a list of all the hero types somewhere in the manual, or a thread describing them all in detail?
I want to browse them and try to work out which type of hero is best suited to which types of unit because some are a mystery to me.

Tassadar's very good Hero Abilities Tier List thread might be helpful to you.

[Gfot]

My version of a PzC 2 Death Star: 21cm Morser levelled as tank to get Steamroller (once you have the 25 overruns you switch the tank to AT and then to Arty), Zero Slots, Consolidator, Lethal Attack (+one of Elza Kloss, Crippling Attack, Butcher, Tank Killer, Exterminator or best of all Rapid Fire 1.5 if playing with 4 Heroes per unit). 10 strength tanks, armored cars etc. usually die in one hit, and then you get another shot, and another, and another, until you run out of ammo. It's so much fun to make a counterattack disappear using just one unit.....

[scorehouse]

don't understand "Death Star" and how you get the 21 to function as a tank?