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Why John Hunyadi should have a campaign in a DLC

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John Hunyadi, a great Hungarian general, developed his own tactical system, and was very successful against the Ottoman Turks in the fifteenth century.

Hunyadi adopted a number of tactics from the Hussites, including the use of light artillery, firearms, field fortifications, and wagons. His army almost always included a significant number of Hussite mercenaries. His army also included other mercenaries and troops of other nations, such as German mercenaries, Poles, Wallachians, and crusaders from Western Europe. He also was an expert in the use of Heavy cavalry. He formed units of light and medium horse to protect his flanks when fighting the ottomans. He was adept at attacking, and superb in defending, and could carry off successful night attacks. He was always outnumbered, often by a huge margin, yet he almost always won, though he suffered a couple of significant defeats.

A new book has come out recently on Hunyadi, entitled John Hunyadi, Defender of Christendom. It was written by Camil Muresanu. It is available at Amazon in several formats, including Kindle. The first chapter describes the source material in some detail, but the other chapters have an interesting narrative of his campaigns, the complex politics of the time, his tactics and army organization, and accounts of his most important battles. Fascinating stuff. He is largely unknown in the west, but a case could be made that he was one of the greatest generals.

I think it would be great fun to play a campaign based on his career, have an epic battle or two that he took part in, and have an army in the army lists based on his. It would also provide another setting for the use of Hussites and their tactics.
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I will make a note.
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rbodleyscott wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 7:02 am I will make a note.
Thank you, Richard. I truly appreciate how open you are to considering suggestions from those who love your games.

It is a great story. Hunyadi rose form the ranks of the lesser nobility, won battle after battle, actually driving the Ottomans back and liberating large areas of land from them, reached the pinnacle of power in Hungary and much of the Balkans, only to be nearly destroyed by the jealousy and treachery of the rich nobles, was betrayed repeatedly by hid allies, suffered two massive defeats that destroyed his reputation, and was on the way to being destroyed by his internal enemies, having lost most of his power and influence. Only to arise nearly from the dead in an hour of terrible need, to win his greatest
and most decisive victory. He died a couple days later, but his work was done, his purpose fulfilled.
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How is his surname pronounced? I pronounce it Hun Yaddi but I recently heard it spoken as Hoon Yah Dee.


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Mord wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:16 pm How is his surname pronounced? I pronounce it Hun Yaddi but I recently heard it spoken as Hoon Yah Dee.


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I pronounce it the same way you do. I do not know what is the correct pronunciation.
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vaalen wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm John Hunyadi, a great Hungarian general, developed his own tactical system, and was very successful against the Ottoman Turks in the fifteenth century.

Hunyadi adopted a number of tactics from the Hussites, including the use of light artillery, firearms, field fortifications, and wagons. His army almost always included a significant number of Hussite mercenaries. His army also included other mercenaries and troops of other nations, such as German mercenaries, Poles, Wallachians, and crusaders from Western Europe. He also was an expert in the use of Heavy cavalry. He formed units of light and medium horse to protect his flanks when fighting the ottomans. He was adept at attacking, and superb in defending, and could carry off successful night attacks. He was always outnumbered, often by a huge margin, yet he almost always won, though he suffered a couple of significant defeats.

A new book has come out recently on Hunyadi, entitled John Hunyadi, Defender of Christendom. It was written by Camil Muresanu. It is available at Amazon in several formats, including Kindle. The first chapter describes the source material in some detail, but the other chapters have an interesting narrative of his campaigns, the complex politics of the time, his tactics and army organization, and accounts of his most important battles. Fascinating stuff. He is largely unknown in the west, but a case could be made that he was one of the greatest generals.

I think it would be great fun to play a campaign based on his career, have an epic battle or two that he took part in, and have an army in the army lists based on his. It would also provide another setting for the use of Hussites and their tactics.
Thanks! I'm of Hungarian descent, although born and living in Sweden, so haven't really come across Hunyadi (other than in Europa Universalis II...). So you can recommend that book also for the layman and non-academic?
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I found some vids you might be interested in while waiting for a book recommendation. Most of them are from the usual suspects but I've never heard of the Pike and Shot channel so that was a nice new discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... hn+hunyadi

I also recommend this one on Vlad (Hunyadi is mentioned there as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY82EpsvbQ8

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kronenblatt wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm
vaalen wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm John Hunyadi, a great Hungarian general, developed his own tactical system, and was very successful against the Ottoman Turks in the fifteenth century.

Hunyadi adopted a number of tactics from the Hussites, including the use of light artillery, firearms, field fortifications, and wagons. His army almost always included a significant number of Hussite mercenaries. His army also included other mercenaries and troops of other nations, such as German mercenaries, Poles, Wallachians, and crusaders from Western Europe. He also was an expert in the use of Heavy cavalry. He formed units of light and medium horse to protect his flanks when fighting the ottomans. He was adept at attacking, and superb in defending, and could carry off successful night attacks. He was always outnumbered, often by a huge margin, yet he almost always won, though he suffered a couple of significant defeats.

A new book has come out recently on Hunyadi, entitled John Hunyadi, Defender of Christendom. It was written by Camil Muresanu. It is available at Amazon in several formats, including Kindle. The first chapter describes the source material in some detail, but the other chapters have an interesting narrative of his campaigns, the complex politics of the time, his tactics and army organization, and accounts of his most important battles. Fascinating stuff. He is largely unknown in the west, but a case could be made that he was one of the greatest generals.

I think it would be great fun to play a campaign based on his career, have an epic battle or two that he took part in, and have an army in the army lists based on his. It would also provide another setting for the use of Hussites and their tactics.
Thanks! I'm of Hungarian descent, although born and living in Sweden, so haven't really come across Hunyadi (other than in Europa Universalis II...). So you can recommend that book also for the layman and non-academic?
Yes,I definitely recommend that book for the layman and non academic. It was written by an academic who can write for the layman. The first chapter describes the sources for the book, and I was afraid I had bought something too academic,but every chapter after the first was easy to understand, and well written. It flowed very well, and was actually fun to read. I recommend skipping the first chapter unless you are interested in his sources. Even then, I would suggest reading it last.

Thank you for the links to the videos. I appreciate your providing them to us, and wil definitely watch them.
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Mord wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:14 pm I found some vids you might be interested in while waiting for a book recommendation. Most of them are from the usual suspects but I've never heard of the Pike and Shot channel so that was a nice new discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... hn+hunyadi

I also recommend this one on Vlad (Hunyadi is mentioned there as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY82EpsvbQ8

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Thank you, Mord. I remember there was a tv miniseries on Vlad some years ago, but I do not remember the name and i do not recall
a mention of Hunyadi in that series.
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vaalen wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:50 pm
kronenblatt wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm
vaalen wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm John Hunyadi, a great Hungarian general, developed his own tactical system, and was very successful against the Ottoman Turks in the fifteenth century.

Hunyadi adopted a number of tactics from the Hussites, including the use of light artillery, firearms, field fortifications, and wagons. His army almost always included a significant number of Hussite mercenaries. His army also included other mercenaries and troops of other nations, such as German mercenaries, Poles, Wallachians, and crusaders from Western Europe. He also was an expert in the use of Heavy cavalry. He formed units of light and medium horse to protect his flanks when fighting the ottomans. He was adept at attacking, and superb in defending, and could carry off successful night attacks. He was always outnumbered, often by a huge margin, yet he almost always won, though he suffered a couple of significant defeats.

A new book has come out recently on Hunyadi, entitled John Hunyadi, Defender of Christendom. It was written by Camil Muresanu. It is available at Amazon in several formats, including Kindle. The first chapter describes the source material in some detail, but the other chapters have an interesting narrative of his campaigns, the complex politics of the time, his tactics and army organization, and accounts of his most important battles. Fascinating stuff. He is largely unknown in the west, but a case could be made that he was one of the greatest generals.

I think it would be great fun to play a campaign based on his career, have an epic battle or two that he took part in, and have an army in the army lists based on his. It would also provide another setting for the use of Hussites and their tactics.
Thanks! I'm of Hungarian descent, although born and living in Sweden, so haven't really come across Hunyadi (other than in Europa Universalis II...). So you can recommend that book also for the layman and non-academic?
Yes,I definitely recommend that book for the layman and non academic. It was written by an academic who can write for the layman. The first chapter describes the sources for the book, and I was afraid I had bought something too academic,but every chapter after the first was easy to understand, and well written. It flowed very well, and was actually fun to read. I recommend skipping the first chapter unless you are interested in his sources. Even then, I would suggest reading it last.

Thank you for the links to the videos. I appreciate your providing them to us, and wil definitely watch them.
Thanks! I'll have a look. It's on ebooks.com as well.
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My Hungarian friend said that his son was a better commander.
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SLancaster wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:56 am My Hungarian friend said that his son was a better commander.
That would be Matthias Corvinus,who was King of Hungary and Croatia. and crowned King of Bohemia, though he never was able to conquer Bohemia proper.

I do know that, as King of Hungary and Croatia, and large parts of the kingdom of Bohemia, he had much greater resources at his disposal than his father ever had. Unlike his father, I do not think he ever suffered a major defeat. John Hunyadi suffered two great defeats at the hands of the Ottomans, being hugely outnumbered in both of them.

Most of Hunyadi's fighting was done against the Ottoman Turks, who were the greatest power in the area, and he defeated them repeatedly and took much land from them.liberating Christian territories. And, ultimately, his victory at Belgrade was considered by many, especially at the time, as an incredible, vital victory that was acclaimed as having saved Europe from the Turks.

His son mainly fought other Christians, who were not as formidable or dangerous as the Turks. Matthias also established one of the first professional standing
armies in Europe, the Black army, which was very effective. Raising and supporting this army, which contained many of the best mercenaries in Europe, was very expensive, and Matthias raised taxes so much it caused a major revolt.

If Hunyadi had the resources commanded by his son, he might have driven the Ottomans out of Europe. Who knows?
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vaalen wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:04 pm Thank you, Mord. I remember there was a tv miniseries on Vlad some years ago, but I do not remember the name and i do not recall
a mention of Hunyadi in that series.
You're welcome. Man, I'd love to see a good docudrama on Vlad.

I am addicted to the excellent history vids on Youtube and the various historical podcasts you can find now. These guys are making high quality stuff that kills ANYTHING the corporate media produces. A couple guys with a computer and microphone out performing mulit-billion dollar networks with their passion.

vaalen wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:06 pm
That would be Matthias Corvinus,who was King of Hungary and Croatia. and crowned King of Bohemia, though he never was able to conquer Bohemia proper.
So on and so forth...
Awesome. I was riveted.

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Mord wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:22 pm
I am addicted to the excellent history vids on Youtube and the various historical podcasts you can find now. These guys are making high quality stuff that kills ANYTHING the corporate media produces. A couple guys with a computer and microphone out performing mulit-billion dollar networks with their passion.

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Could you make some recommendations? I've already listend to excelent Revolutions and History of Rome from Mr. Duncan.
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GryfoCezar wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:22 pm
Could you make some recommendations? I've already listend to excelent Revolutions and History of Rome from Mr. Duncan.
Absolutely! And yes I loved his History of Rome stuff.

Some of these you may have to navigate to the first episode.



Dan Carlin (Hardcore History). Most of his stuff you have to pay for but he has some free stuff. His Wrath of the Khans series is awesome.

https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-series/


Flash Point History

Podcast
https://fphistory.libsyn.com/

YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/c/FlashPointHistory/videos


History of Byzantium

https://thehistoryofbyzantium.com/page/31/


Norman Centuries
https://normancenturies.com/


The Ancient World

https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-ancient-world


Medieval Archives

https://medievalarchives.com/podcast-archive/


The History of England

https://historyofengland.typepad.com/blog/archives.html


When Diplomacy Fails

https://whendiplomacyfails.libsyn.com/


History of the Crusades

https://historyofthecrusades.podomatic.com/


Myths and History of Ancient Greece
https://mythandhistory.podbean.com/p/chapters/page/4/


Myths and Legends of Europe
https://mythandhistory2.podbean.com/p/c ... 29/page/3/


Lore (Historical but of a bizarre macabre bent. Very fun.)
https://www.lorepodcast.com/episodes/?o ... 6783571155






YOUTUBE CHANNELS



Kings and Generals
https://www.youtube.com/c/KingsandGenerals/videos


History Marche
https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoryMarche/videos


History Time
https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoryTime/videos


Epic TV History

https://www.youtube.com/c/EpichistoryTv/videos


SPQR History

https://www.youtube.com/c/SPQRHistory/videos


The Histocrat

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheHistocrat/videos


Baz Battles
https://www.youtube.com/c/BazBattles/videos



Study of Antiquity
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheStudyofAnt ... ges/videos



Lindybiege
https://www.youtube.com/c/lindybeige/videos


The Great War
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheGreatWarSeries/videos



Those should keep you busy for a while.

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Mord wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:22 pm
vaalen wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:04 pm Thank you, Mord. I remember there was a tv miniseries on Vlad some years ago, but I do not remember the name and i do not recall
a mention of Hunyadi in that series.
You're welcome. Man, I'd love to see a good docudrama on Vlad.

I am addicted to the excellent history vids on Youtube and the various historical podcasts you can find now. These guys are making high quality stuff that kills ANYTHING the corporate media produces. A couple guys with a computer and microphone out performing mulit-billion dollar networks with their passion.

vaalen wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:06 pm
That would be Matthias Corvinus,who was King of Hungary and Croatia. and crowned King of Bohemia, though he never was able to conquer Bohemia proper.
So on and so forth...
Awesome. I was riveted.

Mord.
Thank you. And I really appreciate all the links you shared. A presentation by someone who loves the subject and is excited about it can make the subject come alive in a way that no academic document can.
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vaalen wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:01 pm Thank you. And I really appreciate all the links you shared. A presentation by someone who loves the subject and is excited about it can make the subject come alive in a way that no academic document can.
You're welcome.

I can remember a time when Fantasy, Horror, and Sci Fi, were my favorite forms of entertainment. Now, the fantastical doesn't hold a candle to real history.


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Mord wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:33 pm Now, the fantastical doesn't hold a candle to real history.
Then you discover Chronology Criticism and don't know anymore what is real and what is fantastical.
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Which is probably the real intention of Chronology Criticism.
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Maybe.
Or history is lies about events that did not happen told by people who where not there.
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