The AAR of Dyle plan(Peterjfrigate Axis vs Morris Allies)

[Crazygunner1]

Think you are making the right choice and defending southern part of England, since US is about to enter you will soon have reinforcements

Still long way to go . the early schadule of US arrive in UK should be Feb 1942. We have to wait almost one year .

Sure but there will be little or no fighting from October-November, you will make it. I am quite certain of it

[Cybvep]

There are two crucial parts in the conquest of GB - 1) fall of the first port, 2) fall of London (and Liverpool, but that's less significant). IMO in 1941 it's important to delay the first phase as long as possible, so I would defend my ports aggressively. The key is to reduce the Axis' supply level, because they they cannot move very fast. London is more or less safe if the Axis is stuck with 1-lvl supply and Scotland is easy to defend in bad weather, anyway.

I'm wondering whether PF will pursue you in Africa. It looks like he didn't bring many units there.

[Kragdob]

The 1941 Sealion has the problem that you has very little time to secure Irleand & Scapa Flow. Without it Sealion may not return the investment as Allied invasion has supply soruces and they can take back the islands quite fast.

[Cybvep]

True, but I don't think that the Axis is in the position to take Scapa Flow. In this case, the Axis player should be happy if he takes Ireland. It's not so bad if the Axis controls everything besides Scapa Flow, but if the Allies still control Ireland, then air units can be placed there and they will be more or less safe and there is enough room for some other units, too.

It will be hard for the Axis to win this game, especially against Morris. No Spain, unclear situation in the NA, potentially bloody Sea Lion, 1942 Barbarossa. This doesn't look good. However, I think that PF knows that and he will not try to win, but to lose less badly.

[Kragdob]

That is the huge benefit of this strategy. Either weak Barbarossa or 1942 with many fronts open for Axis which makes it easy for USSR to eliminate Germany.

[Cybvep]

TBH Joe Rock and Diplomaticus are faring better so far and none of the games have been finished yet...

[ncali]

Remember that the US and convoys are penalized, so the Western Allies won't be as strong in '42 as otherwise.
Also it's only March of '41! I think there are a lot of wild cards still in play and it's far too early to write off the Axis. Let's wait and see what happens.....

[Kragdob]

TBH Joe Rock and Diplomaticus are faring better so far and none of the games have been finished yet...

Well, I don't see where this 'better' is, but let's wait maybe I see something new. For me if Morris don't make a lot of mistakes he already has the game.

[Cybvep]

Joe Rock is finishing the conquest of GB (and it's 1940) and Diplomaticus took a completely different route, i.e. he rejected the armistice while suffering much lower casualties (still higher than normal ofc). I think that their prospects are better than Peter's.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I think the best about this strategy is that we don't know if it pays off or not. The same with the Allied invasion that Supermax did.

As long as the game can offer different alternative options and people think they might be good then the game is pretty good. With some other alternative (to historical choices) options detected before during beta testing we saw that these options were clearly superior to the historical. Then we need to do something.

With the Dyle and Lisbon options the pros and cons might mean that we don't know yet. That is good.

[richardsd]

That is the huge benefit of this strategy. Either weak Barbarossa or 1942 with many fronts open for Axis which makes it easy for USSR to eliminate Germany.

there are still a few options to challenge the Dyle plan that haven't been expolred

time and testing will tell

[Morris]

TBH Joe Rock and Diplomaticus are faring better so far and none of the games have been finished yet...

Well, I don't see where this 'better' is, but let's wait maybe I see something new. For me if Morris don't make a lot of mistakes he already has the game.

Yes ! so many mistakes !

[Morris]

Joe Rock is finishing the conquest of GB (and it's 1940) and Diplomaticus took a completely different route, i.e. he rejected the armistice while suffering much lower casualties (still higher than normal ofc). I think that their prospects are better than Peter's.

Better prospect always belong to who made few mistakes . Actually , Joe is still holding the great advantage he made in the France campaign & sealion . We just wait to see how will he use this advantage to achive a Axis victory .

[Morris]

Apr 3rd 1941 fair

Bloody fight on the beach ,but with out air support ,no good prospect . But at least we will do sth . We badly hurt the landing troops .but there are a lot of reinforcement on the way . At present RN is almost finished .

In Africa , Axis troops run after the 8 th army . We will fight in Eygpt .


pre turn








after move








Africa

[Cybvep]

Ouch, this looks bad for the Axis. I'm surprised that PF didn't use BBs to support the attacks on Southampton. Anyway, with 1 supply and no port, the Axis is not going anywhere. They simply won't be able to repair their units at an acceptable rate and will move at a snail's pace. Morris was wise to attack the Axis while they still do not control a port.

[richardsd]

Ouch, this looks bad for the Axis. I'm surprised that PF didn't use BBs to support the attacks on Southampton. Anyway, with 1 supply and no port, the Axis is not going anywhere. They simply won't be able to repair their units at an acceptable rate and will move at a snail's pace. Morris was wise to attack the Axis while they still do not control a port.

he will still get ashore in strength and if he does it right will put a lot of pressure on London - that might be my target

[Morris]

Ouch, this looks bad for the Axis. I'm surprised that PF didn't use BBs to support the attacks on Southampton. Anyway, with 1 supply and no port, the Axis is not going anywhere. They simply won't be able to repair their units at an acceptable rate and will move at a snail's pace. Morris was wise to attack the Axis while they still do not control a port.

since Peter had to use BB to provide supply for the two group landing troops , so he did not use them to attack Southampton .
But as you know that Allies have no airsupport ,it is impossible to drive Axis back to the sea , just cost some time & give them more casualties before USA & USSR will come .

[Peter Stauffenberg]

The Axis need overwhelming air support to launch a Sealion. I would have used fighters to hit easy coastal targets to force the RAF to intercept. When the interceptors are used up you can send the tactical bombers to bombard the UK corps and mech units.

If you get these units down to orange efficiency then they won't be as effective in counter attacks. In order to succeed with Sealon you have to do it well. It's easy to make a mistake and then the invasion fails.

[Cybvep]

I agree about air support. I also use BBs to support the landings whenever possible. The key is to take the first port.

[Morris]

Apr 23rd 1941 fair

Bloody combat continue around the beach .We kill a corp & hurt the others . But Axis's reinforcement will land in eastern England . Situation will be tough.


pre turn





after move