Pike & Shot Caracole Tournament Thread

[Triarii]

R3 Results
Triarius Ottomans 50% vs Hrothgar Polish 67%
and
Triarius Scots 4% vs Hrothgar New Model Army 50%

The first game was incredibly close and probably hinged on ione lucky and crucial rally for a single Janissary unit.
The second reflected the strong Parliamentary cavalry wing being caught in hedgerows, shot up, withdrawn and unable to affect the other, open, Scots flank before the outnumbered infantry collapsed.
Thanks to Hrothgar for two great games
and
seasons felicitations to one and all.

[rbodleyscott]

Challenge posted for Aryaman: Poles vs Ottomans. PW hola

Challenge posted for pantherboy: Weimarians vs Spanish. PW carcrash

[flatsix518]

All,

Results posted to here...

100% of R1 games complete!!!!

43 of 45 R2 games complete. (I think the only guys still playing R2 are batesmotel and TheGreyHunter).

24 R3 games complete.

John

[flatsix518]

All,

I think we're moving to a consensus on four possible options to address challenge and army competitiveness on the Post-Mortem thread. If you have a viewpoint, or just want to vote your support for a particular option, please go there and post it.

viewtopic.php?f=299&t=54947&p=513769#p513769

Here are the current proposals:

1) Continue current method. Challenger constructs entire challenge, including both armies -- limited to historic enemies.

2) Pre-Challenge for both armies to play. Challenger announces army pair (historic only) on the forum and opponent chooses which army to play. Opponent constructs the challenge accordingly.

3) Pre-Challenge for one army to play - historic enemies only. Challenger announces the army he wishes to run and opponent chooses which army to play from historic enemy armies only. Opponent constructs the challenge accordingly.

4) Pre-Challenge for one army to play - open to any enemies. Challenger announces the army he wishes to run and opponent chooses which army to play with from any opponents available with the filter turn off. Only disallowed armies are same nationality (no civil wars). Opponent constructs the challenge accordingly.

Please express your opinion or preferred option. This is the most controversial of several topics and I'd like to resolve it in the direction of majority opinion.

John

[Triarii]

R3 Results

Triarius Scots Covenanters (6%) vs Graymouser New Model Army (51%)
and
Triarius German Protestant (5%) vs Graymouser German Catholic (44%)

Thnaks very much to GM for two good games especially as the terrain in the ECW game was a dream for the Scots.

[rbodleyscott]

I prefer option 2.

[Hrothgar]

I definitely dislike #4. I prefer the match-ups have some historical restrictions. Plus, with #4 it would seem to be suicidal to pick an army from the Italian Wars, because a competitive opponent will choose a later army with better firepower, which ought to give a significant edge.

[TheGrayMouser]

Final games

vs Batesmotel
lost Bohemians vs Catholic Germans 7-40
won Royalists vs Parliament 11-45

vs Blathergut
won Transylvanians v Poles 38-61
won Royalist vs Parliament 17-43

Thanks for the games

[Triarii]

I prefer option 1 but with a limit on number of times you can challenge with a particular pairing in any given tourney. If not that option 2.

[rbodleyscott]

Round 4 results:

rbodleyscott (Polish 1633-1648) lost vs pantherboy (French 1643-1648) (67% vs 46%)

rbodleyscott (Weimarian 1635-1643) won vs pantherboy (Spanish 1635-1648) (14% vs 57%)

Both excellent games, thanks.

[pantherboy]

Round 4 results: 3-1

rbodleyscott (Polish 1633-1648) lost vs pantherboy (French 1643-1648) (67% vs 46%)

rbodleyscott (Weimarian 1635-1643) won vs pantherboy (Spanish 1635-1648) (14% vs 57%)

Aryaman (Polish 1633-1648) lost vs pantherboy (French 1643-1648) (54% vs 20%)

Aryaman (Swedish 1630-1634) lost vs pantherboy (Imperials 1619-1632) (60% vs 52%)

If RBS wins both of his games then I'd suggest only one more match with one player (probably RBS due to his familiarity with the game) posting a pairing and the other player choosing a side. That should end things fairly one way or the other.

[rbodleyscott]

If RBS wins both of his games then I'd suggest only one more match with one player (probably RBS due to his familiarity with the game) posting a pairing and the other player choosing a side. That should end things fairly one way or the other.

At the moment it looks as though I am going to lose at least one and possibly both of my games vs Aryaman.

[Iosef]

Iosef (parlamentaerian 42-43) won to Greetings44 (Royalist 42-43)

[flatsix518]

Looks like we're going to have an exciting finish to the Caracole...

John

[moncholee]

Both games with tullius have finally finished. I managed two wins.

In one game my Ottomans swarmed his Imperial army flanks at will as there was no terrain to hinder them. I have read in these forums that Ottomans have fame of being an underdog but I found them to be very mobile and have great firepower.

In the other game we played an Italian Wars battle and he suffered from the lack of practise with armies of that period. My Spanish beat his French on the wings and then my mounted turned on the rear of his infantry.

Thank you tullius for two interesting games.

Javier.

[deadtorius]

batesmotel I have a challenge up for you PW: motel
I know its not very original and I hope you forgive my lack of originality.

[Aryaman]

Aryaman (Ottoman Turkish 1630-1648) won 48% vs 60% rbodleyscott (Polish 1633-1648)

Aryaman (Spanish 1503-1533) won 52% vs 61% rbodleyscott (French 1494-1525)

[Iosef]

R3:

Iosef (Newmodel army 45) won ggarynorman (Royalis 45-48)

[flatsix518]

All,

Looks like the top few spots are final in the Caracole.

I'll post results for as many as I can today.

Best regards,

John

[flatsix518]

All,

Please congratulate our top finishers:

pantherboy -- 1st Place (gold)
Aryaman -- 2d Place (Silver)
rbodleyscott -- 3d Place (Bronze)

The final results through the field are posted below and at the top of this thread. This is still a Work In Progress as some players are still wrapping up their games. I'll update as results are reported. The total points scored are in parentheses.

Caracole Final Results (WIP - current to 12/30/14)

1st Place (15): pantherboy
2d Place (13.5): Aryaman
3d Place (13): rbodleyscott
4th Place (9): Dortmund
5th Place (8.5): cavehobbit
6th Place (8): Iosef, Triarius
8th Place (6): TheGrayMouser, Tiopepe
10th Place (5): flatsix518, guillaume, Hrothgar
13th Place (4): batesmotel, vadim84
15th Place (3): Blathergut, ggarynorman, greetings44
18th Place (2): AEMIL, iandavidsmith, tullius
21st Place (1.5): greyhunter, moncholee
23d Place (1): deadtorius
24th Place (0): cromlechi

The following players have not completed all games, if new results are reported these standings will be adjusted:

AEMIL, batesmotel, Blathergut, cromlechi, deadtorius, greetings44, greyhunter, Hrothgar, iandavidsmith, moncholee, tullius, vadim84

Best regards,

John
flatsix518