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I suspect this was a version when elephants could be in BG's of 4 - hence 10 hits. Therefore if you throw a one two elephants die (a 2 would have accomplished the same thing) and auto-break the jumbos at the same time!They would have vapourised on any dice roll actually. Unless you meant 10 dice, not 10 hits.
No, the whole point of it was that both elephants died. They were totally surrounded by javelinmen and IIRC all 10 shots hit (on a 3+) then the elephants rolled the 1 just to make sure.dave_r wrote:I suspect this was a version when elephants could be in BG's of 4 - hence 10 hits. Therefore if you throw a one two elephants die (a 2 would have accomplished the same thing) and auto-break the jumbos at the same time!They would have vapourised on any dice roll actually. Unless you meant 10 dice, not 10 hits.
Don't think you are allowed BG's of elephants more than 2 now.
Yes he did. Bugger! All my beautiful rough going, vanished. It would have made a significant difference, I think. In the end, though, I lost because I had not internalized the lesson about keeping my line together when facing shooty cav. My BGs of Kn got out ahead of their supporting foot and Mike was able to concentrate fire on them. It is one thing to tell oneself how one plans to operate; another thing entirely put the plan into practice.mikepfanenstiel wrote: . . . I diced 6’s for the rest of his terrain choices.
That sounds to me like how Crusader armies were defeated by the Saracensbabyshark wrote:In the end, though, I lost because I had not internalized the lesson about keeping my line together when facing shooty cav. My BGs of Kn got out ahead of their supporting foot and Mike was able to concentrate fire on them. It is one thing to tell oneself how one plans to operate; another thing entirely put the plan into practice.
This is like a knight's description of the Battle of Mohi!!!Andy1972 wrote:My heavy foot ended up in a saliant and about every one of his shooty people was shooting at me.. I kept for charging to make them flee.. But he would turn and around and come at me again.. All my mounted where on the other flank. so he was shooting 8-14 dice per turn. Even if i had deployed my lh on that flank.. It would have gotten wiped out. He had too many light horse for me to counter.. Looking back. I should have kept still and brought up another unit or 2 and straightened out my line.. Reducing the number of shots per unit. Still.. He had alot of arrows coming at me.
It sure does. Knowing that one lost historically is a very small comfort. Damn it.hammy wrote:That sounds to me like how Crusader armies were defeated by the Saracensbabyshark wrote:In the end, though, I lost because I had not internalized the lesson about keeping my line together when facing shooty cav. My BGs of Kn got out ahead of their supporting foot and Mike was able to concentrate fire on them. It is one thing to tell oneself how one plans to operate; another thing entirely put the plan into practice.
Telling me. I took Huns to the Segovia competition and was astonished at how quickly they took down protected foot or anything on even or better shooting POAs. Most of my opponents always seemed to leave one or two units in a vulnerable position and in a flash they would be covered in Huns making the most of a juicy target before breaking through to the rear. It must be the most opportunistic army I've taken to a competition to date. Lots of fun.babyshark wrote:My Kn failed a surprising--to me--number of death throws as a result of shooting. Marc
Drilled cavalry are very manoeuvrable, however, it is a different (and less) manoevrability to LH so you have to use them a bit differently which you'll need to learn. Start with mostly LH and then up the number of Cv BGs as you get used to how thye work is my advice (well it worked for memikepfanenstiel wrote:
Cavalry can only turn 180 and cannot advance. LH can turn 180 and move full. Seems pretty restrictive on the cavalry. So drilled Mongol cavalry with bow, are not very manouvable, did not like that and does not make much sense to me.
).Remember that cavalry can turn 90 and move, the only thing that light horse can do that cavalry can't is turn 180 and move. Where Mongol cavalry get into a situation they really don't want to be in then either wait to be charged and then evade or turn 180 ready to move away so if you are charged you still evade and if you don't you can move away.mikepfanenstiel wrote:Cavalry can only turn 180 and cannot advance. LH can turn 180 and move full. Seems pretty restrictive on the cavalry. So drilled Mongol cavalry with bow, are not very manouvable, did not like that and does not make much sense to me.
You'd probably have to play an objective based scenario where the objective is paramount to victory rather than attrition points.hazelbark wrote:I really enjoy the mounted horse archers in the game. I can already see the army choice life cycle under way.
Pick army.
Shooty cav comes aong and slaughters it.
Pick shooty cav army.
I have found that if you have a disciplined plan to push your enemy mounted archers then they get flambergasted quickly. Historical !!
What I haven't found is a how a slow army can hunt down a well handled shooty cav in the time alloted. That is the trick right now.
i.e. the mounted army can table sit (sort of) if the terrain falls correctly.
hazelbark wrote:I really enjoy the mounted horse archers in the game. I can already see the army choice life cycle under way.
Pick army.
Shooty cav comes aong and slaughters it.
Pick shooty cav army.
I have found that if you have a disciplined plan to push your enemy mounted archers then they get flambergasted quickly. Historical !!
What I haven't found is a how a slow army can hunt down a well handled shooty cav in the time alloted. That is the trick right now.
i.e. the mounted army can table sit (sort of) if the terrain falls correctly.
lol.. But we were talking and drinking and taking smoke breaks also. We did play a game i took proxy guys for Gauls.. That wasn't pretty.. He swept me from the field.. It was then i learned MF out in Good going is not a good idea. 
One I've been pondering as well I must admit - if from the shooty army point of view.hazelbark wrote:
What I haven't found is a how a slow army can hunt down a well handled shooty cav in the time alloted. That is the trick right now.
i.e. the mounted army can table sit (sort of) if the terrain falls correctly.
Yes, a question I've been pondering. I've concluded that either:hazelbark wrote:What I haven't found is a how a slow army can hunt down a well handled shooty cav in the time alloted. That is the trick right now.
i.e. the mounted army can table sit (sort of) if the terrain falls correctly.
Had Mongol cavalry vs. an Elephant BG that repeatedly charged - the cavalry shot, evaded, turned 180, shot, evaded, turned etc. and once the Elephants were disrupted they stalled and were soon shot to pieces. Mongol cav, being drilled, could also instead of turning to shoot simply move to the rear or turn to a flank and moved off.mikepfanenstiel wrote:Cavalry can only turn 180 and cannot advance. LH can turn 180 and move full. Seems pretty restrictive on the cavalry. So drilled Mongol cavalry with bow, are not very manouvable, did not like that and does not make much sense to me.
