Cretan Archers

redben · Post by **redben** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:06 pm

My blog is updated with some Cretan archers I've been painting - http://imperatorcarnifex.wordpress.com/

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:57 pm

redben wrote:My blog is updated with some Cretan archers I've been painting - http://imperatorcarnifex.wordpress.com/

Nice job, but hadn't Cretan archers an hat?

redben · Post by **redben** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:44 pm

I think they had a little more besides but the model is sufficiient for me.

sergiomonteleone · Post by **sergiomonteleone** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:35 am

marioslaz wrote:
redben wrote:My blog is updated with some Cretan archers I've been painting - http://imperatorcarnifex.wordpress.com/
Nice job, but hadn't Cretan archers an hat?

Hi Mario,
you are right.

Check for example the best cretan archers in my opinion: Xyston ones

http://www.xyston.com/cgi-bin/sh000345. ... 17_2dGreek

Unfortunately I don't have a picture of my painted archers
Sergio

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:43 am

http://www.madaxeman.com/15mm/displayim ... ?pos=-2130

there's some of the Xyston ones.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:02 pm

marioslaz wrote:Nice job, but hadn't Cretan archers an hat?

I don't think there is any evidence that hats distinguished Cretan archers - certainly no mention of such in Duncan Head's "Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars" I believe.

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:37 pm

the xyston macedonian archers have hats. their cretans have natty head bands....

madaxeman · Post by **madaxeman** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:23 pm

IMO all Archers should have hats.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:06 pm

madaxeman wrote:IMO all Archers should have hats.

Tim, you need help

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:07 am

sergiomonteleone wrote:
marioslaz wrote:
redben wrote:My blog is updated with some Cretan archers I've been painting - http://imperatorcarnifex.wordpress.com/
Nice job, but hadn't Cretan archers an hat?
Hi Mario,
you are right.

Check for example the best cretan archers in my opinion: Xyston ones

Ehm... I really don't know how to say it to you... but Xyston Cretan archers have not hat!

They are very beautiful, indeed, and I appreciate Xyston too, but I would acquire Cretan archers from another producer. I don't know if this is right, but for me Cretan archers must have hat.

timurilenk · Post by **timurilenk** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:13 am

marioslaz wrote:but for me Cretan archers must have hat.

THey do not shoot so well without - perhaps it is the sun

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:24 pm

Magister Militum and Minifigs both do 15 mm Cretan archers with hats.

Legionbuilder · Post by **Legionbuilder** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:46 am

I thought that Cretan Archers had only a headband
I have Old Glory and Essex Cretan Archers in my 15mm Armies of various flavors

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:41 am

Legionbuilder wrote:I thought that Cretan Archers had only a headband
I have Old Glory and Essex Cretan Archers in my 15mm Armies of various flavors

Well, I was not there to see if they had hat or not. The imagine I have in my mind of a Cretan archers is with hat, so miniatures I bought are with hat. I cannot say more.

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:59 am

marioslaz wrote:
Legionbuilder wrote:I thought that Cretan Archers had only a headband
I have Old Glory and Essex Cretan Archers in my 15mm Armies of various flavors
Well, I was not there to see if they had hat or not. The imagine I have in my mind of a Cretan archers is with hat, so miniatures I bought are with hat. I cannot say more.

The Hat is all Phil Barker's fault (makes a change from it being Hammy's I guess

).

In one of the early editions of the Armies and enemeis books he attributed a behatted Greek archer to be Cretan based on no real evidence (IIRC). As was the ttrend at the time this was then copied by figure manufacturers (who understandably go for the easiest available reference) and lo it becomes a wargames "fact" - or roughly as accurate as the web ...

Duncan head makes a better case that Cretans may have been distinguished by having some equipment suitable for close combat - small shield and sword - than anything else.

Not that any of this should stop you using men with hats for cretans of course

BlackPrince · Post by **BlackPrince** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:05 am

IMO all Archers should have hats

So Tim in Rome who won the game your opponent with the nice hats or your Rom Dom swarm?

Keith

Legionbuilder · Post by **Legionbuilder** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:02 am

you guys talked me into it - I just got some packs of Xyston - very nice figs

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:31 pm

nikgaukroger wrote:Not that any of this should stop you using men with hats for cretans of course

I own at least a dozen bases of Cretan archers with hat (not sure about exact number because now I'm on Austrian Alpes in holiday). Your exposition is convincing, but still not enough to force me to buy and paint new miniatures

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