What cover will defender get if multiple fortifications placed on same tile same direction

[locustmustdie]

coverA+coverB？or depend on the tougher/weaker one？

[rbodleyscott]

coverA+coverB？or depend on the tougher/weaker one？

Should be the tougher one.

But note that if there are multiple objects that add a terrain type to the square, the last one placed will determine the terrain type.

[locustmustdie]

thx
And I made a test giving artillery a 300 shooting POA buff(when targeting the units undercover of HeavyFortification),however seems doesn't help much to enlarge enemy casualties.

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[rbodleyscott]

thx
And I made a test giving artillery a 300 shooting POA buff(when targeting the units undercover of HeavyFortification),however seems doesn't help much to enlarge enemy casualties.
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No idea why without seeing all the scripts. (The whole folder)

[locustmustdie]

mail sent

[rbodleyscott]

The problem is that shooting POAs are capped at 200 in AdjustedShootingPercent(percent, POA), which means that your custom POA cannot increase the effect of shooting by more than 66%.

The cover modifier for Heavy Forts reduce shooting effect to 25%

1.66 x 0.25 = 0.415

Hence even with your custom POA the shooting will only be at 41% effectiveness against heavy fortifications.

[locustmustdie]

I see.The only solution is to enlarge the unit scale simultaneously.Thanks Richard!

[locustmustdie]

I drew a much smaller city spared more space for field combat.I will forbid street combats by script later.The problem is French on either bank is two weak for English to get serious.The English can crack down either wing by one hand.

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[Athos1660]

Here a trustworthy report of the battle of the Tourelles. Enjoy !

1) Assaults by the French troops
The battle started the morning of the 6th may morning. The French get out of the town by the Gate of Bourgogne (in the east), crossed La Loire river probably at Saint-Loup port where it was quite easy.

The crossing of the river was slow though. The first troops that landed wasn’t numerous but it seems they were of quality (headed by La Hire). There was a moment of hesitation : the English had abandoned the fort of Saint-Jean le Blanc (that seems to have never been impressive), but while the French came closer, someone shouted about an English counter-attack, so the French poured back a bit, then turned around and charged the English who in turn retreated to the Tourelles.

More and more French troops continuously landed, crossing La Loire. And they assaulted the fort des Augustins, a little south of the Tourelles.

In the evening, the fort des Augustins was taken by the French and burnt, either because of the violence of the fighting or Joan of Arc not wanting the French to plunder it.

In the meantime, it seems that the English took advantage of the darkness to disarm the fort of Saint-Pryvé (that was facing the big fort of Saint-Laurent) and the fort on the small island called L’Ile Charlemagne between Saint-Pryvé and Saint-Laurent.

The English obviously are on the defensive. Even worse, after having abandoned their compatriots locked up in the fort Saint-Loup, they prepare to do the same with those who still control the Tourelles.

From the 7th, the French victory looms.

It seems that the assault of the boulevard that protected the Tourelles began around 10-11 AM. This boulevard was composed of a soil slope preceded by a moat and topped by a fence (palisade). The French had planned ladders. Several assaults were launched and repeled. The English archers on the boulevard struggled to shoot at the French as long as they were in the moat. And to obstruct the shooting of the English archers who were in the Tourelles, Dunois positioned under the drawbridge a boat full of wet hay, old shoes…, ie smoke-producing substances.

The French proceeded to take the boulevard to pieces, pulling off each beam of the palisade. The English had no other choice but to fill the holes of the palisade with their bodies till they got killed in the breach. It seems that the French gunner Jean de Monteclerc spent his whole day shooting at such breaches when the French dismounted MAA didn’t succeed in killing with their swords and axes. Other French tried to climb over the palissade but they were repeled by the English with lead mallets or even their hands.

Joan of Arc was wounded by an arrow, maybe at the end of the day.

Dunois wanted to sound Retreat. But Joan, once healed, insisted in having the troops only move back to rest and have a bite to eat.

The English certainly thought the battle was over. But the assault resumed (after the episode of Joan’s flag in moat).

This time, the boulevard was overrun and the English tried to retreat to the Tourelles. But the fire that was burning in the boat under the drawbridge had gnawed the bridge and it collapsed in la Loire, drowning those who were on it.

2) Assault by the Orleanians
That’s when the Orleanians who had remained in town benefited from the fact that the attention of the English was turned to the South (where the French troops were) to throw wooden boards over breaches made in the bridge and they assaulted at that time the Tourelles from the North.

Caught in this crossfire, the English garrison (600-800 men) was entirely slaughtered.

[locustmustdie]

Thank Athos,what confused me most is that the English still had the upper hand,even though they lost a few fortresses.No need to retreat from my point of view.I’m trying to give ‘em an open battle on the field west to the city on hypothesis.The problem is if I deploy French north wing within walls,they will be blocked and cut to pieces one by one when sally out.Deploy ‘em outside walls,will be vanquished by English north wing easily or lost two city gates before arrived.Deployed alongside the moats as reinforcements,pinged down and annihilated by crossfire of English Bombards.Above were demonstrated by testing.

[Athos1660]

English preferring an open battle (where they could be flank-attacked) over the defensive positions of their bastides ? That's total fiction Patay before Patay.

English "having upper hand" ? They were 3000-3600 men, after the Burgundian left on the 17th april 1429. And spread out in forts in the countryside in small numbers. Only 600-800 men in the Tourelles for example. The French were say 2600. After the battle of the Tourelles, the English were outnumbered.

Each garrison remain entrenched behind the wall of their fort (because it was the only tactic they then knew, that is being defensive) or even tend to fall back to a stronger fort on the north bank of the river, leaving the attacked fort to its fate.

Those battles are fort attacks, not open field battles.

btw, imho, all the battles of the 15th century between French and English behind stakes or behind the walls of a fort or a city can be interpreted as storming a fort : French foot trying to break the English defense.

However good luck for your scenario

[Athos1660]

The problem is if I deploy French north wing within walls,they will be blocked and cut to pieces one by one when sally out.Deploy ‘em outside walls,will be vanquished by English north wing easily or lost two city gates before arrived.Deployed alongside the moats as reinforcements,pinged down and annihilated by crossfire of English Bombards.Above were demonstrated by testing.

In terms of game, the "French North wing within walls" (that is the Orleanians) acted as a unit that charges late from the rear an enemy unit (the English in the Tourelles) engaged in a close combat with the French army (coming from the South), so the English became fragmented.

As for an hypothetical "English north wing", they were entrenched in their forts on the North bank of the river and Orléans was closed, so they couldn't do much in this situation, even if they wanted to, which was seemingly not the case. They could have crossed the river slowly from the West of the city to the South bank of la Loire to try and help the Tourelles but would have been slaughtered one by one by the French on dry land.

[locustmustdie]

SideA 90% completed. It is 50% historical with rest of hyperthesis. Siege assaults activated to force the defenders (4 batteries in bombarding range will knock out gate keepers fairly soon)making open battles(furthermore surrender negotiation progress grows every turn if player does not engage enemy on field).
Honestly I’m not satisfied with it,not intense enough. SideB will be set up on the stage of a different phase(same scenario,different story)

[locustmustdie]

Working on a MP version now,will be released later.Formigny,Patay and Rouvray are very likely to be the first 3 scenarios migrated from ""Guerre de cent Ans(HYW)".