Poll - Best hero with Concentration of Forces

[WalterTFD]

With 1944 on the way/arrived I've been playing through AOC with the negative general trait where you can only put one hero in each unit. Makes me wonder what everyone thinks is the best hero for each unit type? (disregard 0 slot, since it just opens up another unit and the question becomes what to put in THAT unit).

I am mostly curious about standard heroes, but if you have any insight into which legendary heroes compare fav/unfav with the best generic ones I'm interested to hear.

Infantry-
Tank-
Recon -
Anti tank-
Anti aircraft-
Fighter-
Tactical Bomber-
Strategic Bomber-
Train-

[Grondel]

Infantry-

overrun is prob a good one if no uber can be used

Tank-

-heavily depends on the tank. some infantry killer with ignore entrenchment like Flammpanzer II or III prob profit a lot from Hit and Run since they can attack any infantrie unit regardless of the terrain with that.
-Vigilance is always very strong on tanks, thats why i restrict myself to not use it on tanks.
- Exterminator helps a lot while learning steamroller

Recon -

- liberator or distraction are both nice ones
- on air recons sixth sense

Anti tank-

- camouflage is very strong on its own
- no retaliation helps a lot when trying to gain exp on AT guns

Anti aircraft-

- camouflage

Fighter-

- fast rebase is strong
- first strike on He 219 negates the low ini and makes them viable for dogfight

Tactical Bomber-

- lightning attack is nice on any bomber

Strategic Bomber-

- lethal attack makes them beasts

Train-

not using trains much

i didn't mention double attack or machine gun/quadrouple gun heroes and the like, since they are good on most unit types.

[Bee1976]

Well with only 1 hero usable, i would assign:
Bridge Engineers - prudent or any defensive heros like no surrender or unyielding or that "entrenchment cannot be ignoreg hero). I always use them to guard important hexes
Normal infatry - i dont use them
cavalry - if i use them, the would recieve special heros like oleh dir
azuls - overrun or ignores enttrenchment
HW - readiness
paratroopers - they are normally quite exposed and too weak; i woudnt use them with only 1 hero
Engineers - if you got RF 1,5 or StrikesFirst i would use one of them

Recon - Tank killer; liberator; Artillery support on of them would be my choice; provocateur is a nice hero combined with support artillery and/or a at gun to protect infantry
Flametank: consolidator to clean out infantry with steamroller
Tanks: depends on the tank, i would use self repair for the kv-1 (1940), readyness for the neubaufahrzeug, and so on. i think the best single hero füor a often used tank is vigilant

anti-air: for strategic anti air 1 support hero (i.e. expert support) or lethal if you play without AA-Vet trait
non-strategic anti-air like the quadrouplo - camouflage

Anti-tank: best hero: Hit and Run if you want to use AT weapons offensively and got a piece of gear with nice initiative
I would assign self repair to "Emil"

Artillery: reduced slots/Zero slots or double attack

Fighter-planes: No Ret or First Strike, High initiative Fighters maybe Hit and Run or RF 1.5

Fighter-Bomber: Strikes first or no Ret

Dive-Bombers:
Depending Lightning attack is nice; if that one is not available i would assign what fits best for the role i want them to play like butcher/flagkiller or No Ret to take out AA-guns

Strat Bombers:
Well i love strat bombers. cheap 1 or 2 Slots strats (i prefer using them in lategame aswell..) would get double move, ent-killer 4x or shock tactics. that lines up perfectl with a overwhelming attack tank, if you wanna play with a capture combo.

better or high end strat bombers always get lethal from me; would be my first choice with 1 hero.
If no "lethal" hero is available, i would assign what fits best for their role.


Buts all depending on the trait you play, the difficulty. I.e. without Fast deployment trait, i would use a fast deployment hero on at least 1 artillery piece or anti air.

[Tassadar]

After all the runs I did so far, my favorites are for sure these listed here (no real unfavorites, as each hero is useful even that one tiny bit):

Infantry - No Retaliation - Tanks have Overrun, Frist Strike is better on defense so works well for planes, but No Retaliation makes clearing close combat hexes out of enemy infantry much, much easier. It often will make combat easy to pull of without help from artillery - a plain combat engineer next to the unit will do.
Tank - Rapid Fire 1.5x - Thinking of standalone traits, this gives tanks what they like most and that's massive firepower. It allows them to overrun targets more easily and thus clear more units on their turn.
Recon - Distraction - With 8 movement having Distraction on recons can make even the best puzzles set by the devs (hi Kerensky ) not that bad if there is even the slightest space you can squeeze the unit in. A properly placed Distraction recon can dismantle an entire defense in one turn. However, the recon category is rather wide, as each nation has different recon types. Germans can almost treat them as light tanks many times, while Soviets later in the war do not benefit much form their combat stats. Also, motorbikes need to be considered infantry for any hero assignments most of the time, it makes them benefit more - I say that while forgetting about it myself all the time.
Anti tank - Camouflage - Also Camouflage, Camouflage and Camouflage. Add in some Camouflage if in doubt.
Artillery - Double Attack - All day everyday. It essentially mans you have 2 artillery pieces, well maybe 1.7 of them if you need to move on some turns.
Anti aircraft - Lethal Attack OR Camouflage - Basically depends if you have the AA Veteran trait or not.
Fighter - First Strike - Completely changes combat for fighters and also is the best trait you can use to make them safe as they do not support each other.
Tactical Bomber - Double Move - This frees up your fighters and allows them to be placed elsewhere and still later provide bomber escort.
Strategic Bomber - Shock Tactics - can pin down key enemy units not only for making them surrender but what is more important, from keeping them out of action while you take out the small fry. Especially useful if you do not happen to have the firepower to take such units on. Also works on ships for hilarious stalling.
Train - Lethal Attack - this changes them from harassing the enemy with little effect to semi-competent at being highly mobile ranged attackers softening up targets for other units.

Fighter-planes: No Ret or First Strike, High initiative Fighters maybe Hit and Run or RF 1.5

Fighter-Bomber: Strikes first or no Ret

In both cases I would much rather go for Readiness than No Retaliation. Since Readiness works on defense, it often is more critical, as on your turn you can usually pick your own air battles.

[robman]

I'll answer the question sideways. Here are some of my favorite heroes (excluding Zero Slots) and the units to which I tend to attach them:

No Retaliation: fighters or flame tanks
First strike: fighters
Camouflage: AT guns
Envelopment: tanks
Overrun: infantry
Rapid Fire 1.5x: tactical bombers
Double attack: fighters or tactical bombers
Fast Deployment: towed artillery
Ignores Entrenchment: infantry
Lightning Attack: you name it, works well for every unit class
Lethal Attack: strategic bombers (first choice), AA, or artillery
Shock Tactics: fighters or strategic bombers (don't want to do too much damage)
Double Support: AA or artillery with counterbattery fire trait (something that might stay out of AI's sight)
Ignores ZOC: tanks
Readiness: fighters, though works well for other unit classes

[adiekmann]

With Concentration of Forces and the negative trait, you actually can have 2 heroes per unit and I think that's what you meant.

Double Attack, Rapid Fire are obvious and pair nicely with just about everything.

For Artillery and AT, I like Camouflage (one of my very favorites) and Lethal attack (for the art) and Double support (for the AT). If you have a very powerful AT, like a Nashhorn, then you can do away with the DS and add extra hitting power like Crippling Blow or Tank Killer. OS and with lots of experience, it will destroy enemy tanks with a single shot to make up for the relatively low ammo count of 4. Until then, I really like the towed 5 cm PaK and use it all the way to '43. It has 2 movement and 6 ammo and does plenty of damage for tanks of that era.

Artillery, 15 cm sFH 18 since it can support both hard and soft attacks. Cammo with Lethal, or DoubleSupport if you don't have lethal.

For Fighters I agree with First Strike (wonderful for lots of different units) but I especially like to pair Bär with No Retaliation. Double Support works well with fighters on escort duty too.

Recon I like Prudent and Liberator if I could only choose two. Prudent and No Surrender works well too if you are sending it up ahead to scout and wish for it to survive.

AA is much the same as Art. Once you have Karla or Karl with the 2x RF, well they work perfectly with AA like the 8.8 cm FlaK or any AT. If you select AA Veteran, then that nullifies the need for Lethal on weapons such as the 8.8 cm FlaK. Then I would suggest Fast Deployment so it can move and shoot.

Infantry: ignores entrenchment and Lightning Attack, and for pioniere Lightning and first strike/no retaliation, or some other offensive boosting hero like Butcher.

TB: Double Move and Lightning Attack

Strategic Bombers: Since before SCW began, I want Double Attack and Lethal. Always. If you don't have one or the other, than Double Move or Lightning work well too.

[Bee1976]

Fighter-planes: No Ret or First Strike, High initiative Fighters maybe Hit and Run or RF 1.5

Fighter-Bomber: Strikes first or no Ret

In both cases I would much rather go for Readiness than No Retaliation. Since Readiness works on defense, it often is more critical, as on your turn you can usually pick your own air battles.

Well, of course you are right. Readiness brings you a lot of safety.
I still prefer No Ret on Fighters and fighter Bombers.

But thats because of my playstyle. I normally wait until enemy aircraft shows up and take them out with No Ret or depending on Hero Luck, i try to lure them out with Strikes First ability.
No Ret on Fighter Bombers allow you to harm Anti-Air without losses or weaken enemy fighters so you can finish them off without any losses with your fighter planes.

[WalterTFD]

Thanks for answers all. 1 hero per unit has proven to be a really good handicap and makes the game much more challenging. I urge you, if you are starting a new run, to give it a shot. Neat middle ground between full god-hero mode and bread-and-locusts no hero mode.