Alexandrian Macedonian - HF/MF switch

timurilenk · Post by **timurilenk** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:06 pm

How does the switch of MF for HF work if I have 12 base BGs?

My guess is I deploy as Pk during deployment and then replace these by the 2 BGs of MF after everything is deployed.

Is there an option to deploy these as 2 BGs of MF during normal deployment? If so, should I adjust the deployment batches accordingly?

Further - can I still deploy some BGs as pike or must I change them all?

Thanks

Ian

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:16 pm

I believe the FoG errata for the list now restricts the HF/MF option to BG's of 8 only to avoid this problem.

Chris

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:02 pm

Is there an option to deploy these as 2 BGs of MF during normal deployment? If so, should I adjust the deployment batches accordingly? .

According to the list you deploy as MF and you have to pay for them as MF, replacing them with the pikes from the list. You have to choose MF or pikes when you make up your list.
Since you can have a max of 12 superior javelin armed MF I guess you can get 2 units of them and the others have to be 8's

Further - can I still deploy some BGs as pike or must I change them all?

Only 1/2 your max number of companion pikes can be reclassed as MF so you could still have the other 1/2 as pikes if you wanted, or mix it as you like, as long as the MF are in 8 stand units.
Hope that was not too confusing....

timurilenk · Post by **timurilenk** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:17 pm

Ah - OK thank you. I need to read the errata then!

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:25 pm

timurilenk wrote:How does the switch of MF for HF work if I have 12 base BGs?

My guess is I deploy as Pk during deployment and then replace these by the 2 BGs of MF after everything is deployed.

Is there an option to deploy these as 2 BGs of MF during normal deployment? If so, should I adjust the deployment batches accordingly?

Further - can I still deploy some BGs as pike or must I change them all?

Thanks

Ian

I believe you decide how to deploy each BG for which you paid for the HF/MF option when you deploy it on the table. (The alternative possibility is that you may need to decide for each BG with the option after terrain is chosen but before actual BG deployment starts. I don't have my rules here to check for sure.) It works much the same way as deploying mounted BG's that have the option to deploy dismounted.

Chris

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:32 pm

you decide on MF/ HF option when you make up the list. they are 1 point less than the pikes I do believe, and you have to pay the MF price for them.
You add them to your army list as MF and increase your BG count respectively.

Dismounted Knights is a different case altogether where you can decide to dismount before deploying I believe, the point cost does not change for them does it? Not a medevil player so I don't get to deal with that one.

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:28 am

deadtorius wrote:you decide on MF/ HF option when you make up the list. they are 1 point less than the pikes I do believe, and you have to pay the MF price for them.
You add them to your army list as MF and increase your BG count respectively.

Dismounted Knights is a different case altogether where you can decide to dismount before deploying I believe, the point cost does not change for them does it? Not a medevil player so I don't get to deal with that one.

According to the errata:

“Foot companions and hypaspists listed in a player’s army list as heavy foot pikemen can instead
be deployed at the start of the battle as medium foot with javelins – as in the army list below. This
is only permitted if the pikemen were in battle groups of 8 bases. This option can only be used if
they have been paid for at the points cost of the medium foot.”

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:49 am

exactly you pay medium foot price and they deploy as medium foot instead of pikes. You can't pay pike price and then decide to deploy them as medium foot.
Actually I was wrong, the MF cost 1 point more per stand than the heavy foot do

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:06 am

deadtorius wrote:exactly you pay medium foot price and they deploy as medium foot instead of pikes. You can't pay pike price and then decide to deploy them as medium foot.
Actually I was wrong, the MF cost 1 point more per stand than the heavy foot do

If you pay for them as MF then you can deploy them as HF with pike OR as MF with Javelins.

If you pay for them as HF then you can only deploy them as HF with pike

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:10 pm

I stand corrected, after much thought my interpretation was wrong

If you pay for them as MF you can deploy them as pikes or MF, but you have to put them on the table as one or the other can't replace them after deployment.
gives you a nice option if the table gets filled up with non-pike friendly terrain.

Odd that Alexanders successors did not keep the idea going, I don't think any of the successor lists allows you the optional deployment

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