cavalry charging evaders into terrain

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:45 pm

if a battle group of cavalry charge light foot who evade from open into terrain...in this case a forest... and cannot be caught, do the cavalry have to follow the full charge distance and therefore enter the terrain..

i can't find this in the rules. whereabouts is this covered??

thanks dave.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:01 pm

davesaunders wrote:if a battle group of cavalry charge light foot who evade from open into terrain...in this case a forest... and cannot be caught, do the cavalry have to follow the full charge distance and therefore enter the terrain..

i can't find this in the rules. whereabouts is this covered??

thanks dave.

Its not because they do. Although it is unlikely they will get in since they only move 2 MU in forest, plus any variable distance since charging.

If they were shock mounted they would not be forced to test to avoid charging in this circumstance as they could end in terrain.

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:12 pm

the cavalry were being pestered by bowmen so charged them. they evaded. then the variable charge was long so they would wind up in the forest. thus getting disordered..

so a cavalry group being shot at by the light foot in front of a forest can do little to get rid of them...

dave.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:17 pm

davesaunders wrote:the cavalry were being pestered by bowmen so charged them. they evaded. then the variable charge was long so they would wind up in the forest. thus getting disordered..

so a cavalry group being shot at by the light foot in front of a forest can do little to get rid of them...

Does this seem unrealistic to you? If so, why?

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:21 pm

not especially.

i just considerd the horse would charge the foot who evade to the forest and then the horse pull up perhaps 1MU before entering terrain unfavourable to them.

we could not decide ourselves on the outcome.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:24 pm

davesaunders wrote:not especially.

i just considerd the horse would charge the foot who evade to the forest and then the horse pull up perhaps 1MU before entering terrain unfavourable to them.

we could not decide ourselves on the outcome.

This was considered during development and we decided not to complicate the rules by adding another exception. It is not as if the cavalry are obliged to charge. (If they were shock troops they would be exempt from testing not to charge in such circumstances).

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:27 pm

that's great thanks.

we just thought perhaps we'd missed something.

my cavalry will remember in future... finding a forest in the centre of the table and a byzantine army has a problem!!

dave.

lawrenceg · Post by **lawrenceg** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:50 pm

davesaunders wrote:the cavalry were being pestered by bowmen so charged them. they evaded. then the variable charge was long so they would wind up in the forest. thus getting disordered..

so a cavalry group being shot at by the light foot in front of a forest can do little to get rid of them...

dave.

Just keep charging until you force them out of the other side of the wood, or they decide to stand and fight at -- in melee with both of you on half dice.

Not putting your cavalry in front of the wood in the first place is another option.

davesaunders · Post by **davesaunders** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:52 pm

every game is a learning curve..!!

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:52 pm

Although IIRC mounted do not have to pursue into difficult.

Once in the wood the mounted would count cover from shooting. And if the LF then want a fight they would still be at ++ in melee most likely. Wouldn't be nice if any real troops were waiting on the far side though.
Since the cavalry can ignore skirmishers that probably would have been best.

Right turn and bugger off. Let the varangians beat up the LF

, or be shot for 3 hours to no end.

david53 · Post by **david53** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:57 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
davesaunders wrote:not especially.

i just considerd the horse would charge the foot who evade to the forest and then the horse pull up perhaps 1MU before entering terrain unfavourable to them.

we could not decide ourselves on the outcome.
This was considered during development and we decided not to complicate the rules by adding another exception. It is not as if the cavalry are obliged to charge. (If they were shock troops they would be exempt from testing not to charge in such circumstances).

Would i be right in saying if they do decide to charge they can't then claim to stop at the terrian as they decided to charge not actualley having to..........

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:33 pm

david53 wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:
davesaunders wrote:not especially.

i just considerd the horse would charge the foot who evade to the forest and then the horse pull up perhaps 1MU before entering terrain unfavourable to them.

we could not decide ourselves on the outcome.
This was considered during development and we decided not to complicate the rules by adding another exception. It is not as if the cavalry are obliged to charge. (If they were shock troops they would be exempt from testing not to charge in such circumstances).

Would i be right in saying if they do decide to charge they can't then claim to stop at the terrain

Yes

batesmotel · Post by **batesmotel** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:48 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
davesaunders wrote:the cavalry were being pestered by bowmen so charged them. they evaded. then the variable charge was long so they would wind up in the forest. thus getting disordered..

so a cavalry group being shot at by the light foot in front of a forest can do little to get rid of them...
Does this seem unrealistic to you? If so, why?

Does the distance that the cavalry charged before reaching the forest have any effect on this? If the cavalry had already moved more than 2 MU plus the variable distance outside the forest, e.g. 4 MU if they had rolled a 6, would they still pursue into the forest? Or else does the maximum move in forest impose no restriction if the charge started outside? Feeling confused...

Chris

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:35 pm

The cavlry move their maximum normal distance in the terrain reached plus or minus vmd.

So if the cav were 2 MU from the terrain and rolled normal they could not enter as their max move in there is 2 MU, which they have already moved.

If they rolled up they add the distance, so 2 MU + 1 or 2 MU.

If they rolled down they would reach the edge, but agian could not get in as they move a minimum of 3 MU in good going (5-2=3MU) they will reach, but their move changes to only 2 MU once they get to the wood so they cannot enter.

philqw78 · Post by **philqw78** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:36 pm

In effect terrain does not alter distance gained/lost by VMD

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