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At the end of Impact Phase you must remove bases for router still in contact with pursuer. 1 base for each pursuer. If BG in melee remain in contact and charger (who don't make any pursuit move because he made a charge move) reaches router and contacts him, than you remove 2 bases.deadtorius wrote:Never had this happen yet but for some reason it just kind of popped into my head. You have fragged troops frontally engaged, they get a flank charge declared against them.
They have to take a CT, if they fail it do they rout right away, and what do the chargers now do?
By looking at the turn sequence it looks like the charge happens anyway and the initial rout occurs at the end of the turn.
How many bases would the routers lose in this case? 1 for the charge, none for the melee?
Enquiring minds would like to know thankyou
I looked up on page 168 full trun sequence, you are correct the fragged troops make their CT when the charge is declared and if they break rout before the chargers move.The way I read the FULL TURN SEQUENCE, "initial pursuits" come after "charge moves". It appears to me the sequence would be: charge is declared - CT is taken for "fragmented troops being charged" - if they fail, they make their rout move - the charge move is made - the BG in close combat makes a pursuit move.
...and then in JAP when they rout again if you follow and catch them... 
Do you mean that they don't take a CT for being charged when fragmented? If so where does it say this? What happens if the chargers are light so won't cause a cohesion loss on contact?shall wrote:You charge.
If you make contact you are dealt with in the JAP just like troops who charge and contact routers normally.
Si
No you can't change the path of the charge, the target changes as a result of evades, interceptions, etc. - the only time you can choose to change the path of a charge is if all the targets evade.deadtorius wrote: The comes charge moves. I would assume the chargers would chase after their intial target, since I don't think you can change targets once a charge is declared and it was that charge that caused the CT in the first place.
The rules don't say - however I think it would be better if the pursuit was immediate (before the charge move) as that removes the problem of remembering which BGs are eligible to pursue. Also the rules talk about pursuers who remain in contact which wouldn't apply if there was a delay in the pursuit - they would be pursuers who have regained contact - its hard to justify "remaining in contact" when another BG has passed between the two BGs.I would have to assume that the troops originally in melee would also pursue if they had to at the end of the impact phase.
Thanks for your input
Well, in effect I made an error. Since in the example there were 2 BGs, one charging and one in melee, the one in melee if remains in contact causes a base removal. The BG in charge not because it's a charger, not a pursuer (I read it in another thread).kal5056 wrote:Mario,
I think you mean Joint Action Phase in this sentence NOt Impact Phase. Right?
Gino
SMAC
"At the end of Impact Phase you must remove bases for router still in contact with pursuer."
Actually it says test for fragmented, if they fail make initial routI think the rules Do say - in the Full Turn Sequence. "Initial pursuits" come after "initial rout moves" for Fragmented troops being charged and after "charge moves".
Got it, so if a new enemy is revealed they get to get close and personal with the chargers, if no one else is around you wheel and try to contact the original target.deadtorius wrote:
The comes charge moves. I would assume the chargers would chase after their intial target, since I don't think you can change targets once a charge is declared and it was that charge that caused the CT in the first place.
No you can't change the path of the charge, the target changes as a result of evades, interceptions, etc. - the only time you can choose to change the path of a charge is if all the targets evade
No the only time you can change the path is if all targets evaded, in this case the target routed, so you carry on on the original path - potentially blocking the pursuers if the pursuit has to wait to the end of the phase.deadtorius wrote:Got it, so if a new enemy is revealed they get to get close and personal with the chargers, if no one else is around you wheel and try to contact the original target.No you can't change the path of the charge, the target changes as a result of evades, interceptions, etc. - the only time you can choose to change the path of a charge is if all the targets evadedeadtorius wrote:
The comes charge moves. I would assume the chargers would chase after their intial target, since I don't think you can change targets once a charge is declared and it was that charge that caused the CT in the first place.
Thanks
And since the target routed from a charge it must rout in the direction of the charge. Making it simpler.sagji wrote: No the only time you can change the path is if all targets evaded, in this case the target routed, so you carry on on the original path - potentially blocking the pursuers if the pursuit has to wait to the end of the phase.
