does shifting to make room count as a move?

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:48 pm

Player A has two battle groups side-by-side only slightly away (5mm) from the enemy. He charges the enemy with one battle group while the other stays put. At the start of the manoeuvre phase he shifts to line up and the battle group that did not charge shifts to make room. Does that shift count as *the* movement for the battle group that didn't charge? If not, is the shift included in the max movement for the battle group that didn't charge?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:28 pm

footslogger · Post by **footslogger** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:11 pm

I believe that. Really, I do. But do you have a page number for it?

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:34 pm

From the FAQ

ix) TROOPS THAT MOVED IN THE IMPACT PHASE
Can troops move in the manoeuvre phase if they charged, pursued or evaded (unlikely but possible) in the
impact phase?
No
What constitutes a move for this purpose?
Any move by the battle group. This includes turning or placing/picking up portable defences, but not reforming,
conforming to enemy, or feeding more bases into an existing melee

Moving to allow a conform is not charging or pursuing or evading so while while it is not specifically listed here the fact that troops that conform can move (assuming they didn't charge or pursue) it would seem to cover this to some extent at least.

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:21 am

page 71 top bullet states that friendly troops who are blocking a conforming move are shifted out of the way unless there is enemy blocking, impassible terrain or a table edge.

Doesn't say the shift counts as a move for the shifted troops so I would say no its not a move. Consider it a free shift, whether you like it or not.

marioslaz · Post by **marioslaz** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:18 am

footslogger wrote:Player A has two battle groups side-by-side only slightly away (5mm) from the enemy. He charges the enemy with one battle group while the other stays put. At the start of the manoeuvre phase he shifts to line up and the battle group that did not charge shifts to make room. Does that shift count as *the* movement for the battle group that didn't charge? If not, is the shift included in the max movement for the battle group that didn't charge?

No and no. (No, the BG who don't charge doesn't count shift as movement and the shift doesn't count toward max movement)
For the last (shift doesn't count toward max movement) see p. 45 (SHIFTING). For the first, I don't know if there is a direct mention in the rules. I say no, because for a legal shift during movement you must move at least one front corner of the BG of 1 MU; since you remain stationary while shifting, this is not a movement at all.

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:31 am

Similarly, a BG that reforms can still move normally, even though the positions of some of its bases have moved due to the reform.

does shifting to make room count as a move?

does shifting to make room count as a move?

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