Team Event Biblical to Renaissance

[lascar]

The Armies for Russia are:

FoGII
1000BC-0AD
Samartian 350BC -24AD
0AD-800AD
Bulgar (Volga) 675-1237

FOGM
800-1200
Rus 1050-1154
Allies:Hungarians 1050-1154
1200-1400
Mongol (Ilkhanid) 1230-1353
Allies: Armenian 1155-1375

P&S
1400-1550
Russian 1494-1550
1550-1650
Russian1560-1597

[ahuyton]

Actually now I look at the armies selected, there are 3 others that are later than the 1650 cut off period.
Are we allowed to choose armies from out of the periods?

Andre makes a good point. For my Italy list, the only alternative I can find would be Spanish Imperial 1543-59, which I am quite happy to take. There are no Imperialist lists and nothing for the Papacy or other Italian states apart from Venice, which I leave to the Venetian player, and the Savoyards who are in breach of Game Regulations.

SO I will take the Spanish Imperialists, as they had a strong presence in Italy in the 16th Century.

[PeterThePainter]

Sorry Peter but I don't think your last army is acceptable. Armies are from extra nations. The date is so that the late period armies which are basically massed firepower muskets with bayonets are excluded, its unfair to pit them against pike and shot units. You've picked an army that is for the only last year of a period that covers 100 years.

But that's just my personal opinion, whatever Gavin rules is ok with me.

Fair point Andre which is why I queried it. I will have a look at the two late 16th Century lists in the Extra Nations mod and select one.

[GDod]

...whatever Gavin rules is ok with me.

...the Peace of Cateau-Cambrésis (1559) saw large parts of Italy fall under the direct or indirect control of the Habsburgs. Two foreign councils controlled much of Italian affairs. The Council of Italy in Madrid controlled the Spanish viceroyalties in Italy, while a special section of the Aulic council in Vienna was sovereign over the Imperial fiefs in Italy. Italian troops served throughout Europe for the catholic side in the age of the European Wars of Religion. They fought in Germany, in France, in Italy, the Spanish Netherlands, in North Africa...

I've noted the protests over the presence of bayonets on the battlefield and have instituted a 1650 cutoff as I originally intended.

• I've changed lists that are later but you may decide to settle on a slightly earlier list if you wish.

• Alan, I've put you down with Savoyard 1649-1684. I believe this is really a list for the Savoyard–Waldensian Wars from 1655-1690 but the lists note from 1649... Since they do not contain bayonet armed troops and technically it falls within the 1650 cutoff (at least according to the extra nations list).

• Mark, I've changed your list to Venetian Colonial 1645-1647 to meet the cut off date

• and I've changed mine to Polish 1618-1632 to also meet the cut off

• Peter I'd prefer not to include Le Roi Soleil lists. I've put you down as Spanish 1649-1688

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I hope these changes are acceptable but please remember these suggestions are preliminary. So, if you prefer another option please contact me, I'm open to suggestions.

[markleslie]

• Mark, I've changed your list to Venetian Colonial 1645-1647 to meet the cut off date

Huzzah!

I have supreme confidence in the entrepreneurial nous of the citizenry of Venice, and it's hired help, to overcome all obstacles and above all, win or lose, make a profit.

[PeterThePainter]

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Peter I'd prefer not to include Le Roi Soleil lists. I've put you down as Spanish 1649-1688 [/list]
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I hadn't seen the 17th Century Spanish lists in the Extra Nations mod, I still find the fact that the listings are sometimes alphabetical and sometimes not, confusing. Given the suggested list starts just before 1650 and goes well beyond it, why don't I take the Spanish list ending 1648/9? I'd be happy to do that.

[GDod]

I hadn't seen the 17th Century Spanish lists in the Extra Nations mod, I still find the fact that the listings are sometimes alphabetical and sometimes not, confusing. Given the suggested list starts just before 1650 and goes well beyond it, why don't I take the Spanish list ending 1648/9? I'd be happy to do that.

I can't seem to find the Extra Nations list list ending 1648/9 Peter. Only Spanish 1569-1599? Is this thew list you mean? Or, am I having a senior moment?

[PeterThePainter]

I hadn't seen the 17th Century Spanish lists in the Extra Nations mod, I still find the fact that the listings are sometimes alphabetical and sometimes not, confusing. Given the suggested list starts just before 1650 and goes well beyond it, why don't I take the Spanish list ending 1648/9? I'd be happy to do that.

I can't seem to find the Extra Nations list list ending 1648/9 Peter. Only Spanish 1569-1599? Is this thew list you mean? Or, am I having a senior moment?

You know the old joke that when you assume you make an ass out of u and me? Well I assumed there was one and the reason you couldn't find it is that it doesn't exist (it is not hidden away anywhere in the non alphabetical list). Let's go with the Spanish 1569 -1599, bring on the Early Tercio's.

[awesum4]

I'm glad Peter and I are on the same side.....light horse crossbow and lance against tercios is a lesson in frustration for both sides.

Gavin, you haven't put in an army for the 1550-1650 period, is there a problem with my choice of English Border Reivers 1540-1603?

[GDod]

You know the old joke that when you assume you make an ass out of u and me? Well I assumed there was one and the reason you couldn't find it is that it doesn't exist (it is not hidden away anywhere in the non alphabetical list). Let's go with the Spanish 1569 -1599, bring on the Early Tercio's.

I'm quite happy to let you bring on the outdated 1569 -1599 arquebusier but are you really, really sure you don't want 1649-1688 with Spanish in the later formation using musket? It is in extra nations list and does fall within the period before 1650! (just) Admittedly, it's not the most exciting list but it has some nice cheap pike and musket if you have an inclination. Last one time offer...

[GDod]

...is there a problem with my choice of English Border Reivers 1540-1603?

Yes...my eye-sight! Corrected after putting on reading glasses

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One list to confirm (Peter) and one to come (carpenkm). The draw will be posted on the 1st April (heh, heh)

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[PeterThePainter]

You know the old joke that when you assume you make an ass out of u and me? Well I assumed there was one and the reason you couldn't find it is that it doesn't exist (it is not hidden away anywhere in the non alphabetical list). Let's go with the Spanish 1569 -1599, bring on the Early Tercio's.

I'm quite happy to let you bring on the outdated 1569 -1599 arquebusier but are you really, really sure you don't want 1649-1688 with Spanish in the later formation using musket? It is in extra nations list and does fall within the period before 1650! (just) Admittedly, it's not the most exciting list but it has some nice cheap pike and musket if you have an inclination. Last one time offer...

Indecision, indecision. No I am not sure. Your use of capitals unnerves me and them I remember you are on the opposing team! I don't really fancy a lumbering 2,000 men block of pikes trying to pin down a horse army so, I will take that final offer and revert to the 1649 -1688 list. But then again...... no 1649 - 1688 it is.

[KiwiWarlord]

Just wondering where the demarcation line is between East & West as the East is struggling to get more 'Easterners' ?

[PeterThePainter]

Just wondering where the demarcation line is between East & West as the East is struggling to get more 'Easterners' ?

Denmark seems to be in the East!! I am happy to take on Danish peasants!

[GDod]

Denmark has been co-opted into the East as we're perilously understaffed. We maybe outnumbered but we have attitude! I did consider Northern vs Southern but we might save that for the future!

[GDod]

Indecision, indecision. No I am not sure. Your use of capitals unnerves me and them I remember you are on the opposing team! I don't really fancy a lumbering 2,000 men block of pikes trying to pin down a horse army so, I will take that final offer and revert to the 1649 -1688 list. But then again...... no 1649 - 1688 it is.

Locked in Peter (snigger, snigger!) Seriously a better choice Peter (or is it?)

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Only one list to go!

[markleslie]

A minor point, the first of the Venetian P&S lists (1400-1550 AD) should be Venetian 1530-1550 AD.

[KiwiWarlord]

Denmark has been co-opted into the East as we're perilously understaffed. We maybe outnumbered but we have attitude!

The Ottoman Sultan will allow Beylerbeys to lead Ottoman armies as the Empire is very large and in need of Gallant, Skilful Military Leaders to maintain the Empire.
( in other words there can be more than one Ottoman Player if necessary )

[GDod]

A minor point, the first of the Venetian P&S lists (1400-1550 AD) should be Venetian 1530-1550 AD.

So, the rumors about the 130 year old Venetian within your army's ranks was false Mark? Duly noted and corrected.

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[GDod]

Denmark has been co-opted into the East as we're perilously understaffed. We maybe outnumbered but we have attitude!

The Ottoman Sultan will allow Beylerbeys to lead Ottoman armies as the Empire is very large and in need of Gallant, Skilful Military Leaders to maintain the Empire.
( in other words there can be more than one Ottoman Player if necessary )

Time is running short Brian, and no daring commander has taken up the call. so, it looks like one of us will have to fight twice as hard!