what do you think

[scorehouse]

Wagner is referencing at the start of Demans..k Pocket when he states, "I feel there is something terribly wrong and I do not just mean with these Soviet counterattacks"? I have my thoughts which I'll divulge after others weigh with their thoughts, ideas, etc.

[scorehouse]

any thoughts?

[Panzer73]

Similarities to Count von Stauffenberg were commented on soon after the AO'42 DLC came out.

[scorehouse]

I don't think its that. I think its the Russians knew what was coming before the Germans launched offensives. the Russians didn't break the code per se but their spy network in London and Switzerland received plenty of valuable information. they also had a mole inside the enigma team. I've been to the Imperial War Museum in London. they had an interactive game using the enigma where you had a time limit to decipher intercepted messages alerting you to when and where U-Boats were going to meet and surface. remember this is early 42.

[Vorskl]

I don't think its that. I think its the Russians knew what was coming before the Germans launched offensives. the Russians didn't break the code per se but their spy network in London and Switzerland received plenty of valuable information. they also had a mole inside the enigma team. I've been to the Imperial War Museum in London. they had an interactive game using the enigma where you had a time limit to decipher intercepted messages alerting you to when and where U-Boats were going to meet and surface. remember this is early 42.

Soviet intelligence pre-1944 could not distinguish ass from elbow: while Southern Front was suffering miserably after failed 2nd Kharkov and Germans advancing with their Blau plan, Stalin and Co were keeping precious reserves in the center, Moscow direction as they thought Germans would strike there (the deceptive plan Kremlin).
In 1943, Soviet intelligence somehow figured out that Germans would strike at Kursk but missed the direction (!) - while the main punch was from the south, most of soviet troops were placed at north facing poor Model.

British intelligence smoked some heavy weed as well, otherwise I cannot explain how would one come up with an idea of the Operation Pike??

[Retributarr]

Soviet intelligence pre-1944 could not distinguish ass from elbow: while Southern Front was suffering miserably after failed 2nd Kharkov and Germans advancing with their Blau plan, Stalin and Co were keeping precious reserves in the center, Moscow direction as they thought Germans would strike there (the deceptive plan Kremlin).
In 1943, Soviet intelligence somehow figured out that Germans would strike at Kursk but missed the direction (!) - while the main punch was from the south, most of soviet troops were placed at north facing poor Model.

British intelligence smoked some heavy weed as well, otherwise I cannot explain how would one come up with an idea of the Operation Pike??

A while back... I remarked on this issue. To make It short!..., a program that I watched some years ago… stated that the Russians were provided intelligence-information from the Western-Allies {Enigma-Intelligence}… and so they knew almost right to the minute when the 'German-Assault' was going to begin. I cannot remember just how good/comprehensive this intelligence was... but it seemed to be adequate enough to put vinegar into 'Herr-Hitlers' cornflakes.

[charge62]

While a bit of a tangent from the original question, I believe the answer you are looking for is the Lucy Spy Ring. You can check the wiki, but it leaves out almost all really important information. If you have questions not answered by the wiki or caused by poor quality of the wiki, I'll be happy to help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_spy_ring

[Vorskl]

A while back... I remarked on this issue. To make It short!..., a program that I watched some years ago… stated that the Russians were provided intelligence-information from the Western-Allies {Enigma-Intelligence}… and so they knew almost right to the minute when the 'German-Assault' was going to begin. I cannot remember just how good/comprehensive this intelligence was... but it seemed to be adequate enough to put vinegar into 'Herr-Hitlers' cornflakes.

Which year / front are we talking about??

[Retributarr]

A while back... I remarked on this issue. To make It short!..., a program that I watched some years ago… stated that the Russians were provided intelligence-information from the Western-Allies {Enigma-Intelligence}… and so they knew almost right to the minute when the 'German-Assault' was going to begin. I cannot remember just how good/comprehensive this intelligence was... but it seemed to be adequate enough to put vinegar into 'Herr-Hitlers' cornflakes.

Which year / front are we talking about??

"KURSK!"

[PoorOldSpike]

Interseting snippet from Guderian's book 'Panzer Leader' shows Hitler was getting cold feet about Kursk but went ahead with it anyway-

GUDERIAN-"It is a matter of profound indifference to the world whether we hold Kursk or not.
I repeat my question. Why do we want to attack in the East at all this year?"
HITLER- "You're quite right. Whenever I think of this attack my stomach turns over."

Russian counterattack at Kursk-

[Vorskl]

Interseting snippet from Guderian's book 'Panzer Leader' shows Hitler was getting cold feet about Kursk but went ahead with it anyway-

GUDERIAN-"It is a matter of profound indifference to the world whether we hold Kursk or not.
I repeat my question. Why do we want to attack in the East at all this year?"
HITLER- "You're quite right. Whenever I think of this attack my stomach turns over."

Russian counterattack at Kursk-

Read less fantasy books and more of history ones. Compare strength of the North/South forces of Soviet and Germans. Think about why Kursk ended in mid-July but Soviet Army reached nearby Kharkov in late August (!) - the Southern flank of Kursk (Vatutin) was devastated by the German strike and needed a pause to regroup. So whatever Soviet/British intelligence was there, it was a piece of BS (in its utility similar to 'the stock market will crash'). A much more plausible explanation is that following a devastating 1942 year when Soviet attacked and lost everywhere, Stalin lost trust in his generals and hence decided to let Germans attack first.

If you want to find a truly remarkable intelligence failure, IMHO 1944 Bagration is a great example.

[WButler89]

There are also allegations that the Germans lost the Battle of Kursk because of Hitler's premature order to end the offensive in the northern sector and transfer separate tank units from Kursk to Sicily, where British and American troops landed. German historians Roman Töppel and Jens Wehner refute this.
As Töppel explained, this myth originally appeared in the memoirs of Erich von Manstein. However, this is just a legend. The generals, who blamed the defeat in the Battle of Kursk solely on the "Fuhrer", also argued that as a result of the failure of Operation Citadel, the Germans would not have suffered such heavy losses if in the summer of 1943 on the Eastern Front they had not gone over to the offensive, but remained in defensive positions.
To begin with, Operation Citadel did not cost the Germans such huge losses. In any case, they did not exceed the losses incurred during defensive battles. And secondly, in 1943, the German side simply did not have the opportunity to remain on the defensive and maintain strength, since the Red Army would still go on the offensive, and heavy battles that would have led to no less losses would have been inevitable. - explains Roman Teppel.

[PoorOldSpike]

Hitler was a great politician getting Germany back on its feet in the 1930's, but he wasn't so hot as a military commander, he should have let his generals run the war.

[scorehouse]

Charge62. that is the info I was looking for and I believe is what Wagner is alluding to in his statement.

[Retributarr]

Recent Tank Technology Update: ... for those who might be interested.

AbramsX Next Generation Main Battle Tank Breaks Cover
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/technolo ... skbarhover



YouTube VIDEO URL:
https://youtu.be/TcfuyyxFtgQ

[DefiantXYX]

Interesting topic.
I think this discussion is going in the wrong direction. After wagners injury he might have had a change of mind. War is no longer "cool" and germany will definately win in the end, so he started to question one or two things. For me it was the first opener for the ahistorical storyline, so that we as the general can with the war for germany, but not for the nazis.
Tbh I was a little bit disappointed, that this background story was not taken up in 1943. Only our spanish friend told us about whats going on in the homeland and that not everything is alright.

[Retributarr]

Has the Army finally found a replacement for the Bradley Fighting Vehicle?:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/has-t ... kbarhover

YOUTUBE VIDEO: https://youtu.be/WASZL2Sdu9s

The concept for the Lynx OMFV includes dedicated subsystems to help the vehicle’s two-person crew detect and destroy anti-tank guided missiles, loitering missions or drones, top attack munitions – which are meant to strike vehicles where armor is typically the weakest – as well as cyberattacks and direct fire weapons, Milner told Task & Purpose.

The Lynx OMFV would combine armor and American Rheinmetall’s StrikeShield Active Protective System to protect the troops inside from incoming missiles and other projectiles, Milner said.

StrikeShield identifies when enemy missiles are coming at the vehicle and then fires charges to destroy them, Milner explained. Unlike other active protection systems such as Trophy and Iron Fist, the StrikeShield system destroys enemy projectiles close to the vehicle and has a low electronic signature.

As it is currently envisioned, the Lynx OMFV would be equipped with an XM913 50mm chain gun, which would offer a major upgrade in firepower compared to the Bradley’s M242 Bushmaster 25mm autocannon.

Like the Bradley, the Lynx OMFV would carry six service members inside, and Raytheon is developing a launcher for the vehicle that could fire TOW missiles, Javelins, or Coyote drones.