Bug? Transaction and Alliance cancel each other

[primevalangel]

Hi guys, in my MP games, at least twice it happened to me to request Alliance to a player with whom I had Cooperation. Later, seeing we no longer have Cooperation, I sent a Cooperation transaction, but once accepted, the Alliance was removed. I was expecting to get a Full Alliance. Is this a bug? Also what is Full Alliance and how do you get one? Thanks.

[Gray Fox]

According to the manual. Cooperation is a lesser form of Alliance. So, it's one or the other.

[primevalangel]

Oh ok, found it in the manual, thanks Gray Fox. Do you also know what is the Full Alliance I see sometimes in the diplomatic relations of some nations? And how do you get one? It is not in the manual.

[Pocus]

It's like an alliance, but with relationships at least at 75 IIRC. Gameplay wise it means you'll also help the ally if he DOWs someone else.

[primevalangel]

Thanks, Pocus.

[Hyding]

Full Alliance starts when you are allied and relations are at 50 or more.

[primevalangel]

Thanks Hyding, though Pocus said relationship must be at least is 75, not 50.

[Hyding]

Thanks Hyding, though Pocus said relationship must be at least is 75, not 50.

Yes... but Pocus qualified his answer with IIRC (If I Recall Correctly). The manuals lists 50 plus as Full Alliance and that has not changed as every Full Alliance that has occurred in my recent MP games triggered at the relations level of 50 or above.

Pocus is the expert and is super at answering quickly but he is very busy,

He also let everyone know that the number he gave was not certain.

I was just the first to provide the actual number for him, Many others could have but probably didn't because I already had. It is in the manual and occurs frequently in games.

By the way I checked out your site. I plan on spending more time there after I fully recover from a series of eye surgeries.

[Hyding]

Oh if it is useful the last paragraph of section 9.5 in the manual describes a Full Alliance but does not use the term. That may be how it gets overlooked.

[primevalangel]

Oh you're right, I apologize. Thanks again, Hyding.