Early Scots with Normans?

mcbeth · Post by **mcbeth** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:46 am

Hi All,

Just going through the Early Scots list from 'Wolves from the Sea'. Being a Nigel Trantor fan and having read the blurb in the army list regarding the Normans that MacBeth let into Scotland, I was keen to field some in my list. However, looking at the list, I can only assume the Arm, Avg, UnDrilled, Cav with Light spear/swordsmen must be them. Upon checking the Norman list the two options for mounted Normans both have Lance as the option and not Light Spear - is the Scots listing for them correct or is it an error and should they have Lance?

Simon

ethan · Post by **ethan** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:33 pm

I believe the list notes say the Early Scots list ends when the Normans arrive, presumably being replaced by a "Feudal Scots" or some such list in Oath of Fealty. IIRC someone on this forum suggested that the Scots might have quite a bit of heavy cavalry during this period, perhaps more than the English in fact.

mcbeth · Post by **mcbeth** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:29 pm

Cheers Ethan, I guess I'll have to wait until Oath of Fealty to field the Normans.

Shame.

Oh well, that does not stop me for starting a pre-Norman army though

WhiteKnight · Post by **WhiteKnight** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:06 am

Macbeth ruled in Scotland from around 1040 to 1057, just at the time that FoG has the "Knightly lance" being introduced, so I guess an early Macbeth army without such lancers is as acceptable as a late Macbeth army with them?

Martin

simone · Post by **simone** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:03 am

I think the change in the Macbeth army occur in 1050. At that time he went to Rome to visit the Pope, he returned with a body of Normans and it can only be logic that he bought some of the latest fashionable armor. He and his routine should be then be "Knight Lancers" as Normans of that time.
In reference to cavalry post 1050 Scots army from the lowland had a lot of HC since all the raid in England were made by mounted body of Heavy Armored Soldiers. For that matter even at the siege of Durham in 1038 the Scots were all mounted and dismounted to attack the walls. In Wolves from The Sea the new discoveries on Dark Age warfare in Britain has been applied to the Anglo Danish list but not the Early Scots one.