Suggestion for second army...

[OhReally]

My first army is Macedonians, and it seems I can pretty much port them over to several other army lists from Immortal Fire and the Republican Rome book with 1-2 units added which is nice. Maks will always be my primary list due to interest in the period/s, but I want an army out of each book.

So I would like to get a second army rolling, and I'm not sure which direction to go in still being very new to the game.

I had looked at an Ordonnance French list, but the price to get it painted ended up being higher than I wanted. I've always been a fan of Romans and it looks like they are so expensive that I would not need that much stuff painted to roll with them. English HYW look different than what I am used to as well, so that is up there.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a second army for me. It needs to be fairly small in figures so I can keep my order under $500 painted.

Thanks for the help.

Lance

[hammy]

Some idea of how many points you are aiming for and what it costs you to get things painted would help.

Republican Roman is relatively light in terms of figures per point in that a base of 4 legionaries costs 14 points or 3.5 points per figure.

If you are looking to spend $500 on say an 800 point force where you have an FC and three TCs with one mounted figure on the TC bases and two on the FC you need get 645 points from $500 - the cost of 5 mounted figures. If you pay $4 for a mounted figure ($2 for foot) you would have a $480 to get your 640 points which would mean you only need about 2.5 points per foot figure but at $6 for a mounted figure ($3 for foot) you would need to get up to 4 points per foot figure.

Troops that are expensive per figure include knights (but heraldry costs more it seems), armoured foot (Romans), quality moslem troops (Ghilmen and Dailami) and Huns (but the list isn't out yet).

[KingHassan]

I have a nicely painted Late Roman army far sale with enough extras to morph into a few other lists.
I will bring it by your game tomorrow.

[timmy1]

Seljuk Turk looks a very good army to me (and also of people who have more FoG experience and better judgement than I). They may not work out too expensive.

[Rudy_Nelson]

In my opinion, here in the USA a lot depends on the interest and needs of the club as much as your interest. Why be the only one in your club with an army from a period that no one else has? You will get fewer chances to play that new army.

[expendablecinc]

Other things to think of if its only your second army is to make sure it is a different style of army so you dont feel like you are playign the same army all over again.

eg If your first army is alexandrian I'd steer away from swiss.

What periods interest you most?
What other styles of army interest you most (there is generally a good army out there for each style of play)?
As mentioned previously, what armies/period do your peers have?

[OhReally]

Other things to think of if its only your second army is to make sure it is a different style of army so you dont feel like you are playign the same army all over again.

eg If your first army is alexandrian I'd steer away from swiss.

What periods interest you most?
What other styles of army interest you most (there is generally a good army out there for each style of play)?
As mentioned previously, what armies/period do your peers have?

There seems to be a good mix of armies from the different time periods presented in the books. I've painted my Mak's in neutral enough themes to use them in a couple of army books from the Imperial Rome book.

As far as what interests me I would say any era of Rome, HYW from both sides, and the Crusades. One thing I can't stand, and is limiting my selection a great deal, is troops who just won't do what I want them to do! I would rather lose, than be cursing after failing CMT after CMT or having light troops lead my most expensive troops on a tour of the table. So I tend to favor the play of smaller, disciplined armies that are going to overall do what I want when it comes to moving around.

Now that I have all the army books, I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck.

One of the current things I was thinking of is a bunch of bases of Longbowmen, some neutrally painted heavy foot with polearms, and some common light troops would allow me to field pretty much any of the English lists (HYW Continental, British and with some additions Roses), and by adding 8-12 bases of knights I could morph it easilly into an Ordonnance French list. The thing I like about this is that I can go from a pretty much defensive army to a mixed or offensive army with just changing out some models.

Thanks for all the help

[OhReally]

Some idea of how many points you are aiming for and what it costs you to get things painted would help.

Republican Roman is relatively light in terms of figures per point in that a base of 4 legionaries costs 14 points or 3.5 points per figure.

If you are looking to spend $500 on say an 800 point force where you have an FC and three TCs with one mounted figure on the TC bases and two on the FC you need get 645 points from $500 - the cost of 5 mounted figures. If you pay $4 for a mounted figure ($2 for foot) you would have a $480 to get your 640 points which would mean you only need about 2.5 points per foot figure but at $6 for a mounted figure ($3 for foot) you would need to get up to 4 points per foot figure.

Troops that are expensive per figure include knights (but heraldry costs more it seems), armoured foot (Romans), quality moslem troops (Ghilmen and Dailami) and Huns (but the list isn't out yet).

800 points. I have a guy who paints foot for $1.75 a model and cav from 3.5 including the price of the model.

[expendablecinc]

Other things to think of if its only your second army is to make sure it is a different style of army so you dont feel like you are playign the same army all over again.

eg If your first army is alexandrian I'd steer away from swiss.

What periods interest you most?
What other styles of army interest you most (there is generally a good army out there for each style of play)?
As mentioned previously, what armies/period do your peers have?

There seems to be a good mix of armies from the different time periods presented in the books. I've painted my Mak's in neutral enough themes to use them in a couple of army books from the Imperial Rome book.

As far as what interests me I would say any era of Rome, HYW from both sides, and the Crusades. One thing I can't stand, and is limiting my selection a great deal, is troops who just won't do what I want them to do! I would rather lose, than be cursing after failing CMT after CMT or having light troops lead my most expensive troops on a tour of the table. So I tend to favor the play of smaller, disciplined armies that are going to overall do what I want when it comes to moving around.

Now that I have all the army books, I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck.

One of the current things I was thinking of is a bunch of bases of Longbowmen, some neutrally painted heavy foot with polearms, and some common light troops would allow me to field pretty much any of the English lists (HYW Continental, British and with some additions Roses), and by adding 8-12 bases of knights I could morph it easilly into an Ordonnance French list. The thing I like about this is that I can go from a pretty much defensive army to a mixed or offensive army with just changing out some models.

Thanks for all the help

Free Company woudl be highly morphable for this period, expensive hence small, hence cheap t buy/paint and most solid drilled troops.

[hammy]

It sounds to me like you need to pick a period where there are a lot of armies that share troops much like Macedonians.

Medieval Western Europe is one possibility, Condotta, Ordonance French, late Medieval German, WoTR all have similar core troops. Longbow are good but aren't very common although there are a number of armies that get a few.

Arab with Ghilmen, turkomans and Dailami may be worth a look. In terms of points per figure you get light horse at 10 points for 2 mounted figures and ghilmen at 19 for 3. Dailami as medium foot can be 3 to a base and cost almost as much as legionaries. There are also a lot of different armies in that period and some of the unpublished books too.

[pezhetairoi]

I would pick an enemy army for your first army. Someone they often fought in history.
Great for the other side of the game, like scenarios as well as demo games.

If you are playing Macedonians, why not Persians, Indians, Skythians, mid republic Romans, or Galatians?
All very different armies. They might not match your playing style, but you can change. Why would you want the same thing?

[SirGarnet]

What historical characters, armies, or peoples have your admiration, interest or affection? Look so good you can't bear to keep them off the table? You already have a Hellenistic combined arms force - what other types of overall tactics and feel do you want in your next army?

Come up with a list and I'm sure people can make some very specific suggestions that might not involve a heavy painting load.

Mike

[KingHassan]

How about something Medieval but not from France or Spain so that you can get a slot in in our Medieval Europe campaign?

[Dakadave]

Why dont you not suggest something that just promotes your personal agenda.

[OhReally]

How about something Medieval but not from France or Spain so that you can get a slot in in our Medieval Europe campaign?

I will be able to field an English HYW with my mighty morphin power Ordonnonce French!

[SirGarnet]

So is Ordon/glish the final answer?

[OhReally]

So is Ordon/glish the final answer?

Yep, just waiting on a reply from the painting service and I'm putting it on order. I'll probably do something Roman around the end of the year and chill out for awhile on $500 a pop purchases hehe.

[domblas]

It sounds to me like you need to pick a period where there are a lot of armies that share troops much like Macedonians.

Medieval Western Europe is one possibility, Condotta, Ordonance French, late Medieval German, WoTR all have similar core troops. Longbow are good but aren't very common although there are a number of armies that get a few.

Arab with Ghilmen, turkomans and Dailami may be worth a look. In terms of points per figure you get light horse at 10 points for 2 mounted figures and ghilmen at 19 for 3. Dailami as medium foot can be 3 to a base and cost almost as much as legionaries. There are also a lot of different armies in that period and some of the unpublished books too.

where will u find figurines of these?

[expendablecinc]

It sounds to me like you need to pick a period where there are a lot of armies that share troops much like Macedonians.

Medieval Western Europe is one possibility, Condotta, Ordonance French, late Medieval German, WoTR all have similar core troops. Longbow are good but aren't very common although there are a number of armies that get a few.

Arab with Ghilmen, turkomans and Dailami may be worth a look. In terms of points per figure you get light horse at 10 points for 2 mounted figures and ghilmen at 19 for 3. Dailami as medium foot can be 3 to a base and cost almost as much as legionaries. There are also a lot of different armies in that period and some of the unpublished books too.

where will u find figurines of these?

I'd use mix outpost, legio heroica and essex

[lawrenceg]

You might be able to pick up an unpainted Swiss army at a bargain price:

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