Lethal Attack hero

[scorehouse]

where do you find a units suppression number? or which maxed out unit will produce the most kills per attack with this hero? 21cm or 203 artillery? JU 88-A or DO 217 E? 0r another type of unit. or if there is a place i can look it up please lmk. all units have max 4 star experience and can add a double attack combo thanks

[dalfrede]

where do you find a units suppression number? or which maxed out unit will produce the most kills per attack with this hero? 21cm or 203 artillery? JU 88-A or DO 217 E? 0r another type of unit. or if there is a place i can look it up please lmk. all units have max 4 star experience and can add a double attack combo thanks

There is no 'unit suppression number'. Artillery, Strategic Bombers, and AA all have the Trait 'SuppressingFire' . which results in mainly suppression over kills.

Hits result in 'deflect/suppress/kill' ratios. If Defense > Attack you will get mainly deflect.
At four stars 21cm will get several kills per attack on tanks even without 'Lethal'.
The Lethal Hero is best on 'low caliber' weapons which don't have enough Attack to get kills without it.
Will also give a Strat TB like attacks on tanks.

At Ebro I give lethal to an AA to cut down the attacking air force,
otherwise in good weather to a Strat, in poor to Stug3b or 105mm.

[Edmon]

There are two main sources of "suppression".

One is units with the trait "Suppressing Fire", which converts 80% of their kills back down to suppression. Generally, these units would get a lot of kills if it wasn't for this trait and lethal converts a lot of the suppressed kills back into actual kills. For units like this, the biggest units get the most benefit, since they would have gotten the most kills and they therefore will get the most suppression returned to kills.

The other main source is where units have a very similar attack value to the defense value of the unit they are attacking. For example, engineers in a close combat tile have 8 defence and most infantry units have around 9-11 attack. Lethal can be very effective on these types of units (infantry or tanks with rapid fire 1.5x but low attack values).

Lethal is one of the best, if not the best hero in the game. In the correct combo it can enable artillery to kill 5-8 entire unit stacks per turn, by cross classing steamroller onto an artillery, you can delete entire waves of units.

It dramatically increases the effectiveness of any unit that causes a lot of suppression, which is almost every support unit in the game. Plus infantry as discussed, rapid fire tanks and even fighters.

[sakura006]

If you press "l" to check the combat log, you will see the deflection/suppression/kill rate. If attack - defense is larger or equal to 12, you get 100% kill chance, and 0 deflection or suppression. If attack - defense is lower than -8, you get 100% deflection, and no suppression or kill. The suppression rate for non-suppression units is probably capped at 20% (I am not too confident of this number). Artillery and strategy bombers have very low kill chance, but deals mostly suppression fire. The kill chance increases with your experience level. At level 0, your 21 cm will deal 90% suppression and 10% kill, at level 5, your 21 cm will deal 35% kill and 65% suppression, assuming you get 0 deflection. Other artilleries will have lower kill chance (and lower suppression), as their attack is lower and have some deflection. Lethal attack converts half of suppression into kill, so your artilleries will have approximately 70% kill chance, and 30% suppression rate, assuming you get 0 deflection. Therefore, a 10 strength artillery can only deal 7 damage at maximum. Lethal attack alone doesn't guarantee you a one-shot-kill of any units, unless you paired it with rapid fire, and get a 100% accuracy.
If you have overrun on your artillery, Wurfrahmen 40 would be a good choice for lethal attack. It has rapid fire x2, it almost guarantee you a one-shot-kill, even for infantry. You have Kloss on it so it will 5 ammo and 3 range. But it only has 15 hard attack, so it will not work once you see t34 and kv1.
If you have both rapid fire and lethal attack, 21cm will be a better choice, you still need to overstrength it though, and you probably don't have enough slots for other heroes. Apparently, you also want zero slot and Kloss, or even ignore entrenchment.
Personally, I don't like lethal attack on artillery. First, it kills a lot of fun if you one-shot-kill units with artilleries. Second, I never have any problems on ground battle even without high caliber artilleries. I like to put lethal attack on my AA, more specifically, SD.KFZ. 7/1. Unlike ground battles where you can have all kinds of supporting fire or encirclement tactics, air battle is always toe to toe if your AA does not kill. And enemy bombers are just so annoying. SD.KFZ. 7/1 has rapid fire x2, and it has access to close defense of fighters and tactic bombers. With lethal attack alone, it one-shot-kill any single fighters or tactic bombers. Air battle becomes so easy when you have lethal attack on your AA.

[scorehouse]

thanks for taking the time for your detailed explanation. do you have a strategy to get units to surrender for equipment capture. i seem to be in a rut of capturing low grade equptment or wiping out all the valuble enemy equipped units with capturing their equiptment. i.e. they fight until they are only 1=5 strength left and surrender to my weakest units. when and where do you put the mouse to press, is it the number 1 or capital I? thanks i just finished the Russian battle where they assault you endlessly trying to cross the river. the lethal attack 15 strength 21's saved me, i was curious if you left the hex empty the enemy would occupy it, then you could surround and capture but then you be vulnerable on the bridges?

[Magni]

thanks for taking the time for your detailed explanation. do you have a strategy to get units to surrender for equipment capture. i seem to be in a rut of capturing low grade equptment or wiping out all the valuble enemy equipped units with capturing their equiptment. i.e. they fight until they are only 1=5 strength left and surrender to my weakest units. when and where do you put the mouse to press, is it the number 1 or capital I? thanks i just finished the Russian battle where they assault you endlessly trying to cross the river. the lethal attack 15 strength 21's saved me, i was curious if you left the hex empty the enemy would occupy it, then you could surround and capture but then you be vulnerable on the bridges?

Perimeter Control plus a lot of mobile units to surround, suppress (artillery, strats, assault guns plus the encirclement penalty if you have some time; you also need to strip entrenchment if any) and then hit the enemy unit with an attack that will do relatively few kills.

[Edmon]

thanks for taking the time for your detailed explanation. do you have a strategy to get units to surrender for equipment capture. i seem to be in a rut of capturing low grade equptment or wiping out all the valuble enemy equipped units with capturing their equiptment. i.e. they fight until they are only 1=5 strength left and surrender to my weakest units. when and where do you put the mouse to press, is it the number 1 or capital I? thanks i just finished the Russian battle where they assault you endlessly trying to cross the river. the lethal attack 15 strength 21's saved me, i was curious if you left the hex empty the enemy would occupy it, then you could surround and capture but then you be vulnerable on the bridges?

I have a video on encirclement and capture, you can find it here:



I hope it helps

[scorehouse]

thanks