What happened to cargo trains in recent DLCs?

[Vorskl]

As I recall, the last scenario to have cargo trains to move your troops around is Warsaw 1939. Then we have giant maps of Leningrad or even my hated Neufchateu where trains could have been very handy (not sure about France, but Leningrad - Pskov area for sure have had working railroads).

Also, the whole piece of AI troops spawning out of thin air could be drastically improved by making AI to move trains into it respawning zone, unload and move troops around. That's exactly the mechanism how troops were 'spawned' in the real life AND it was already realized in the 1st Madrid SCW scenario. Such a mechanism will let a player a slim chance to destroy some AI reinforcement while in the trains (thinking about Stalingrad 1942, Kursk 1943 scenarios)

[VirgilInTheSKY]

As I recall, the last scenario to have cargo trains to move your troops around is Warsaw 1939. Then we have giant maps of Leningrad or even my hated Neufchateu where trains could have been very handy (not sure about France, but Leningrad - Pskov area for sure have had working railroads).

Agree on this one, it feels strange that there were so many railway lines but no railway transport in AO 1941, especially when combined with the bad weather and terrain.

Also, the whole piece of AI troops spawning out of thin air could be drastically improved by making AI to move trains into it respawning zone, unload and move troops around. That's exactly the mechanism how troops were 'spawned' in the real life AND it was already realized in the 1st Madrid SCW scenario. Such a mechanism will let a player a slim chance to destroy some AI reinforcement while in the trains - Stalingrad 1942, here we are!

Trains in 1st Madrid have nothing to do with the spawns, they were just there to show that the republicians have reinforcements as a decoration. Enemy still spawns even if you destroy the trains, again, something makes them "spawn from thin air".

[Snake97644]

As I recall, the last scenario to have cargo trains to move your troops around is Warsaw 1939. Then we have giant maps of Leningrad or even my hated Neufchateu where trains could have been very handy (not sure about France, but Leningrad - Pskov area for sure have had working railroads).

Also, the whole piece of AI troops spawning out of thin air could be drastically improved by making AI to move trains into it respawning zone, unload and move troops around. That's exactly the mechanism how troops were 'spawned' in the real life AND it was already realized in the 1st Madrid SCW scenario. Such a mechanism will let a player a slim chance to destroy some AI reinforcement while in the trains (thinking about Stalingrad 1942, Kursk 1943 scenarios)

Yeah that is a feature that I missed in the last AO. How are Timoshenko's men going to jump right from the trains and into battle

edit: had to fix all my bad typos

[Vorskl]

As I recall, the last scenario to have cargo trains to move your troops around is Warsaw 1939. Then we have giant maps of Leningrad or even my hated Neufchateu where trains could have been very handy (not sure about France, but Leningrad - Pskov area for sure have had working railroads).

Also, the whole piece of AI troops spawning out of thin air could be drastically improved by making AI to move trains into it respawning zone, unload and move troops around. That's exactly the mechanism how troops were 'spawned' in the real life AND it was already realized in the 1st Madrid SCW scenario. Such a mechanism will let a player a slim chance to destroy some AI reinforcement while in the trains (thinking about Stalingrad 1942, Kursk 1943 scenarios)

Yeah that is a feature that I missed in the last AO. How are Timoshenko men going jump right from the trains and into battle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoOnsz6C2yc

[Tassadar]

Isn't that partially historical in 1941 due to difference in rail track width?

[Vorskl]

Isn't that partially historical in 1941 due to difference in rail track width?

it's complex.
Bear in mind Poland and Baltic states were in and out the Russian empire in the times since the steam engine was invented. During the WWI there were occupations and re-building of the RR. Hence all the countries except Estonia ended up having a mix of Russian(Soviet)/ German(Europe standard) and narrow-gauge rails. Then... both fighting parties actively destroyed RR, hence if you rebuild you can well convert it to fit your steamers.

Logistics was the main aspect of the WWII, and trains were the backbone; for the Kursk battle alone, Soviet Army moved 14.000 trains (!). That's why both parties fought fiercely over shitholes that were important railroad centers - Rzhev is the prime example. Not in the DCL1941 map, but in reality it was the intersection of N-S and W-E railroads, also control the connection between Army Groups North and West.

What happens when you suck at logistics was demonstrated by Italian troops in North Africa - as British Fleet controlled the East Med, Italians had to use Tripoli + trucks to supply troops 1500km away.. with known results

[Scrapulous]

What happens when you suck at logistics was demonstrated by Italian troops in North Africa - as British Fleet controlled the East Med, Italians had to use Tripoli + trucks to supply troops 1500km away.. with known results

I have been reading the translated war memoirs of a German soldier named Werner Mork. His first assignment was driving supply trucks in North Africa, and the first three chapters touch a lot on the British logistical and air superiority in the desert. Your comment about the logistics made me think of it. It's quick reading and very interesting.

Unfortunately I only have a link to the English version: the link to the German version provided in the English PDFs doesn't work for me.

http://www.dansetzer.us/Mork