The 1649-1698 Ottomans didnt have any chance against 1680-1698 Polish?

[burakataman]

I used ottoman can easily beat any army in early period, also i can use late ottoman to beat any other armies such as imperial or Sweden or Spanish
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But i found i can not match 1680-1698 Polish any way

The polish musketeer can match my janissary and veteran janissary in firepower, even break the janissary by shooting.

And my Sipahi can only shoot one or two times before crashed by Polish cavalry(winged hussar or armor Cossack)

Also the late ottoman had only a few light cavalry, when Polish had Tatar too

Any idea?

[burakataman]

anyway i finally won by placed the sipahi in the central and janissary on two sides to shoot their hussars

but i dont think i can have chance to face a polish player, their charge is too powerful to turkish cavalry

[Athos1660]

Having very rarely played those lists, I am not of much help. But looking at both Army lists, the Ottomans might have to build on the benefit of the numbers of shooting Sipahis and guns to try and disrupt a Polish cavalry before impacts. It would certainly be easier (too easy ? maybe also ahistorical ?) if Sipahis could evade.

[burakataman]

I think at least some Porte sipahi should have melee pistol

Polish cavalry run too fast,sipahi cannot outflank them and shoot more than once

[SnuggleBunnies]

It's an exceedingly difficult matchup. One of the main things to keep in mind is that your cavalry, being Swordsmen, will be up 100POA vs the Polish cavalry in melee if the Poles are Disrupted or Disordered. So if you can have your cavalry fight in difficult terrain, or force disruptions with archery support (24pt Azap archers are great for this), you can have a chance. The Winged Hussars are Impact Mounted, but they only get their Impact capability in Open terrain.

[burakataman]

It's an exceedingly difficult matchup. One of the main things to keep in mind is that your cavalry, being Swordsmen, will be up 100POA vs the Polish cavalry in melee if the Poles are Disrupted or Disordered. So if you can have your cavalry fight in difficult terrain, or force disruptions with archery support (24pt Azap archers are great for this), you can have a chance. The Winged Hussars are Impact Mounted, but they only get their Impact capability in Open terrain.

The most difficult thing is the late polish musketeers is as good as janissary, so make the situation very very hard.(ottoman can use janissary to shoot late western army to win)when meet polish,the infantry shoot fight almost draw, and the cavalry crashed soon.

I finally got an win over AI Poland yesterday by use firearms infantry at two side to shot their cavalry while sipahi attacked their infantry in the central.

If human fight ottoman will not have any chance I think

[SnuggleBunnies]

Well veteran jannies are better than any of the polish infantry, but they're not numerous