DeGaulle

[KlaiggeB]

Has anyone else noticed that "if" you kill the DeGaulle unit in the Abbeville scenario, he comes back in another scenario?

To me, this is a small programming item that needs to be addressed.

I say this because in one of the Panzer Corps scenarios, if you wipe out their navy, they are not eligible to return again.

I'm suggesting this be addressed and fixed.

[Ezequiel1996]

As far as i know this is intended, DeGaulle is a historical character and can't be killed, not a good choice for a nemesis btw

[WookieeDavidson]

Has anyone else noticed that "if" you kill the DeGaulle unit in the Abbeville scenario, he comes back in another scenario?

To me, this is a small programming item that needs to be addressed.

I say this because in one of the Panzer Corps scenarios, if you wipe out their navy, they are not eligible to return again.

I'm suggesting this be addressed and fixed.

Far as i know this isn't the bug finding thread either

[KlaiggeB]

I don't disagree that he's an "historical" character... but PC has already established a precedent, as I said in my original post, that in one of the scenarios, if you sink all of the ships, they are not available later.

[dalfrede]

From a Steam Thread:

A lot of people were unsatisfied that the first Nemesis, Vega, could be defeated so quickly, and then that was the last you saw of him.

We wanted to try a more persistent Nemesis this time with a historical figure. De Gaulle fought hard in France, but we all know the overall French effort wasn't very successful. Even so, he was able to continue the fight from Britain, as more than a few other exiles were doing. This is seen in the large variety of special Battle of Britain fighter squadrons that make their presence felt during the Sea Lion operation.


All that said... we tried a Nemesis that could be defeated, and now we have one that cannot be permanently dealt with. So my question to you, and everyone else... which kind do you prefer? Your feedback will have an impact on future such characters and how they are handled.

Personally, I like both ideas. I'd want more of this sort of thing in the future.

Perhaps we can have Nemesis that can be defeated and then no longer appear...
And then Arch-Nemesis, who not only cannot be defeated, but potentially return in a STRONGER form if they have been defeated? That's a cool concept, and should be possible on a technical level. Maybe.

[Retributarr]

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a509926.pdf
DE GAULLE'S CONCEPT OF A MOBILE, PROFESSIONAL ARMY:

De Gaulle attacked the efficacy of the entire concept of the nation in arms. "Without a professional army, there can be no French defense. A professional army would have both an offensive and a defensive capability, could be used immediately without wasting precious time mobilizing...the "picked troops" of a professional army would be the foundation of France's defenses and would be the "vanguard of the mobilized nation."

As for mechanized forces, De Gaulle's professional army would consist primarily of armored units. It would be composed of 100,000 volunteers, composing six divisions. Each division would have three brigades (one each of armor, infantry and artillery) with supporting engineer, signal, reconnaissance, and aerial units. The army would also have a light armored division for scouting purposes, a brigade of heavy tanks for attacking permanent fortifications, and assorted other support units.

This professional army, then, would be a powerfully armed, swiftly moving body employing all the potential of armored forces.

The first French armored division was not created until October 1939, and when Germany attacked in May 1940 France had only three armored divisions in being with a fourth (commanded by De Gaulle) being formed.

[KlaiggeB]

I like the idea of an "Arch Nemesis."

I do.

I think it's a solid concept.

However, for the interest of 'realism' in the game, that Arch Nemesis should be defeat-able, and thus not be available in later scenarios.

IMHO, to do other wise creates an almost "Superman-like" character, which, for me, with over 57 years of war gaming experience, (I started with the old Avalon Hill games, D-Day in particular), a super character is simply not criquette.

[George_Parr]

I wasn't a fan of him constantly returning either.
I think it would be better if he would appear, and once he is down to a specific health he retreats from the scenario so that he can re-appear later on. Provided you don't encircle and destroy him, in which case he shouldn't re-appear.

In general, I don't think he was a particularly good choice as nemesis anyway. He's mostly famous for his concepts on mobile doctrin, leader of the free french and later on as president, not so much as an amazing field-commander. The battles he was involed in saw him field an understrength tank division against (mostly) enemy infantry, enjoying temporary success before being driven back, suffering heavy casualties both times. Not really a match for the large mass of overstrength and hero-equiped battlegroup he leads in the game. Then again, it's a game, so some deviation from history for the sake of balance or challenge seems just fine to me

[Retributarr]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle
Battle of France: division commander

The Germans attacked the West on 10 May. De Gaulle activated his new division on 12 May.The Germans broke through at Sedan on 15 May 1940. That day, with three tank battalions assembled, less than a third of his paper strength, he was summoned to headquarters and told to attack to gain time for General Robert Touchon's Sixth Army to redeploy from the Maginot Line to the Aisne. General Georges told him it was his chance to implement his ideas.

De Gaulle commandeered some retreating cavalry and artillery units and also received an extra half-brigade, one of whose battalions included some heavy B1 bis tanks.
The Char B1 bis Rhône at the Musée des Blindés at Saumur

The attack at Montcornet, a key road junction near Laon, began around 04:30 on 17 May.
Map of the Battle of Montcornet

The Battle of Montcornet, on 17 May 1940 took place during the Battle of France. The French 4e Division cuirassée (Colonel Charles de Gaulle), attacked the German-held village of Montcornet with over 200 tanks. The French drove off the Germans but later had to retreat due to lack of support and the intervention of the Luftwaffe.

Outnumbered and without air support, he lost 23 of his 90 vehicles to mines, anti-tank weapons, or Stukas. On 18 May he was reinforced by two fresh regiments of armoured cavalry, bringing his strength up to 150 vehicles. He attacked again on 19 May and his forces were once again devastated by German Stukas and artillery. He ignored orders from General Georges to withdraw, and in the early afternoon demanded two more divisions from Touchon, who refused his request. Although de Gaulle's tanks forced the German infantry to retreat to Caumont, the action brought only temporary relief and did little to slow the spearhead of the German advance. Nevertheless, it was one of the few successes the French enjoyed while suffering defeats elsewhere across the country.

[ErissN6]

I wasn't a fan of him constantly returning either.
I think it would be better if he would appear, and once he is down to a specific health he retreats from the scenario so that he can re-appear later on. Provided you don't encircle and destroy him, in which case he shouldn't re-appear.

In general, I don't think he was a particularly good choice as nemesis anyway. He's mostly famous for his concepts on mobile doctrin, leader of the free french and later on as president, not so much as an amazing field-commander.

I think he's a good nemesis, not because he was good (not really, like Stalin he re-wrote history, ninjaed his past books to appear better), but because he insisted in battling, what saved him is because he hated germans far more than commies. His battles actually show his doctrine: he was for tanks-only, almost without support (he lied by adding support sentences in his past books years later where he had never talked about planes).